Contributed by phessler on from the may-19-isn't-too-far-away dept.
Yes | 36.1% (394 votes) | ||
No | 36.3% (396 votes) | ||
Its in the plans | 27.7% (302 votes) | ||
Total votes: 1092
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OpenBSD Journal
Contributed by phessler on from the may-19-isn't-too-far-away dept.
Yes | 36.1% (394 votes) | ||
No | 36.3% (396 votes) | ||
Its in the plans | 27.7% (302 votes) | ||
Total votes: 1092
(Comments are closed)
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By Marco Peereboom (67.64.89.177) slash@peereboom.us on http://www.peereboom.us/
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By almeida (66.31.180.15) on
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By Anonymous Coward (139.142.208.98) on
One for each office.
It is realtively easy to convince the bean counters to get one copy per office as they assume buying a CD is akin to buying a license (I've given up trying to convince them otherwise).
By Anonymous Goon (203.24.100.131) on
I wish we could buy tapes like the "Good Old days" when distro's of $FAVOURITE_OS + Kermit(!) came on TK50, DL600, 8mm, hell.. I'd even pay for DDS{1,2,3,4} DAT. :-\
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By Anonymous Coward (162.58.35.101) on
I wish I could buy the stickers seperately though. :P
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By Marcos Latas (81.193.148.82) on
www.openbsd.org/want.html
Go and read that.
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By Marcos Latas (82.154.0.53) on
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By Anonymous Coward (68.6.193.220) on
At the time, it was just a few brand new 9.1 GB SCSI drives that a customer stiffed me on some years ago. They're now taking up valuable closet space that could be used to store more of my fiancee's wardrobe. And like most geeks, I have stacks 'o RAM that aren't ever going to find their way into any of my current systems. Also old but perfectly functional motherboards in the P2 - P3 and Althon range, etc. These could actually be doing good work rather than sitting around in shiny antistatic bags. I'm perfectly willing to FedEx them to Canada, but I'm not going to beg to.
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By Marcos Latas (82.154.0.53) on
Remember que amount of mail he receives... If you don't get a response in a couple of days, send the mail again.
By Anonymous Coward (151.188.16.53) on
Sadly, the OpenBSD team seems to like being gruff with people who want to give them things. It's one thing to ask, "is there any way you can help us get the programming documentation for that NIC or chipset without NDA requirements?" I'd have said, "Sure, I'll do whatever I can" and acted on it. It's quite another, though, to say, "Sorry, we don't have the programming docs for that chipset, go away, screw you, you need to go use some other OS other than OpenBSD." The latter is what I was told. So, as I said, I went away.
OpenBSD is a fine operating system with a dedicated team of hackers whose programming prowess is to be honored and respected. Being nice also counts, though.
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By m0rf (68.104.57.241) on
though i suspect this story is only half told.
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By Marcos Latas (81.193.199.89) carvalholatas@gmail.com on
By sbr (66.11.172.61) sbr@gnook.org on http://gnook.org/~sbr/
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By Anonymous Coward (216.220.225.229) on
Perhaps this has changed.
By James Carter (66.218.244.40) on http://www.opentorrent.org
They have plenty of quality phrases to feature.
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http://www.stickerobot.com
http://www.stickerguy.com
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By Peter N. M. Hansteen (194.54.107.19) peter@bgnett.no on http://www.bgnett.no/~peter/
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By Brent Graveland (198.53.128.241) brent@graveland.net on
No broken tabs, or any sort of other issues that have been reported in the past, just a perfectly good ordering experience.
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By RC (4.8.16.53) on
I've been using OpenBSD since about the 2.4 release IIRC (makes it about 6 years now) but now it looks like I'm going to have to switch. I always accepted it's limitations, a single (different) irritating bug every release, many open-source programs being off-limits (OpenOffice, Mozilla, etc), and many more of the issues you've all had to deal with.
USB support was slow to come, and USB2 even slower, and even now, unplugging a UMASS device causes system panic about 1 in 5 times. Basic firewire support still isn't available, and is probably a long way off. ACPI looks like it won't be implimented for several years, and with the increasing power requirements for computers, power management is a real necessity for most people, including myself... I'm just not willing to continue wasting hundreds of watts for no good reason. I'm well aware of the fact that OpenBSD is relatively short-handed and underfunded, but these features are important, so I'm forced to switch. I'm sure someone will tell me to donate, but throwing money at a problem never solves it. If they are more interested in rewriting apache from scratch than fixing their USB support and power management, more donations are not going to change that. I've spent ~6 years looking for each release to catch-up, but it seems they get further behind, never fix important things because they don't feel like it (eg. usb, atactrl, acpi), and I'm not willing to donate any more when they keep saying they're going to do what they think is the most fun, anyhow.
Not to say that everything is perfect in FreeBSD though. I was always impressed with OpenBSD automatically detecting everything, where other OSes require you to select a handful of kernel modules to be loaded on startup. With minor exceptions (hostname.???, X11), you can take an OpenBSD hard drive from one machine to another, and have it boot-up and work with no changes at all. OpenBSD has also got a much nicer and cleaner layout than other OSes, and much simpler init scripts. I also prefer the OpenBSD version of the pdksh shell to any other, fortunately I've been able to compile it on FreeBSD, so no real loss there.
I wish I could stick with OpenBSD, I really do, but the system instability, limited hardware, lack of power management, and limited software are now forcing me to look elsewhere, and FreeBSD is a big step-up in most places, and only a small step down in others... Hell of a lot better than Linux, IMHO.
Even after I switch my workstation over, I'll still be using OpenBSD on a few others, but I expect I'll end up switching those over too. One is an Alpha machine, and OpenBSD's Alpha support is getting worse, not better, with big pieces of functionality still missing. NetBSD wasn't a better alternative when I tried it, but FreeBSD's Alpha port is pretty good, and I've been testing and considering it for a long time.
Another OpenBSD system is a firewall/router. While it might seem natural to leave OpenBSD on that machine, it really could benefit from better power management. If it was running any OS other than OpenBSD, I could have the hard drive spin-down shortly after start-up, and stay idle for weeks, until I need to log-in. Having it fall back to about 2watts in standby, and only powering-up when it sees some packets would be very nice. Plus, PF is working on FreeBSD, so no need to even change my rulesets.
My laptop was the first convert. The lack of acpi was a real drain on batteries, and not having working drivers for the cardbus slots was quite annoying. Yes, I would also have liked to use FreeBSD there, but the on-board winmodem only has a Linux driver, so OpenBSD was replaced by Linux there.
Go ahead and mod my comment down, as if my points aren't valid, and because it's something that you'd rather not hear. But I'm frustrated that I'm essentially being pushed away from the OS I've been using for many years now, and hope that my rant here will be read by a few people, that might perhaps do something about it, and make OpenBSD better so that I can perhaps switch back in a few years.
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By RC (4.8.16.53) on
I don't believe the NDIS driver wrapper can be used for anything other than network card drivers. I did a quick search on Google when I saw your comment, and turned up empty. Someone even asked if it was possible on the FreeBSD mailing list, and got directed to the lt port instead...
By halosfan (24.34.139.45) on
While I hear you, please realize that OpenBSD is used by many, many people, and their priorities are vastly different from each other. As an example, the value of power management to me is half-way between zero and NULL -- my colocation facility is not going to charge me less for consuming less power. The value of hardware support? For servers, I just buy hardware that OpenBSD supports. For laptop, none of the free Unices cuts it for me. After years of struggling with various BSDs and even Linux on laptops, I ended up buying a Powerbook, and I still don't quite understand why I hadn't done it earlier. Powerbooks are well supported, both by Apple and third parties (unlike most Intel laptops), extremely durable (unlike any of the Intel laptops I could get my hands on), support all hardware I care about, run a real Unix, and make an excellent serial console (with ckermit) for headless OpenBSD servers.
On the other hand, the value of a secure web server to me is immense, as is the value of OpenSSH. Consistent filesystem layout, sane configuration, systrace -- all of that makes a difference to me. One can say that FreeBSD has that too (in one form or another). Yes and no. FreeBSD prides itself on its speed. Unfortunately, performance and security often are mutually exclusive. To me, ProPolice and W^X in the base system are much more important than the speed I potentially lose. Hence, I wouldn't even think about opening a port on a modern day Internet on a computer that is running an OS other than OpenBSD.
And I'm not saying that I'm right and you are not. As I said, your complaints are valid. It just happens that the project doesn't match your requirements. It doesn't necessarily mean that the project has to change.
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By me (62.177.197.3) on
OBSD is doing just fine without my money so I'll use it for myself instead of stupid charity.
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By dgs (213.114.204.10) on
Ofcourse the though of what's worth paying a few $ for differs. But how can you say that you are using OpenBSD on multiple systems, without care about what happens to the project. I have only been using OpenBSD for a year or so, but I feel that it's natrualy to support the OpenBSD developers. And not by doing it for 'charity purpuse', they do an asome job, and it's a way to show appreciation and to contribute to the project.
If you contribute in another way, fine. But for most users that don't have the time, knowlage to contribute with coding, documentation, answering common questions etc. Donate money and buying misc. items still contribute in some way.
To the last things about the OpenBSD developers jobs...
Most of the developers have work, and what I have understand good works. Their contribution to the project are done mostly on their sparetime, a few of them are working with the project on fulltime but that's just a handfull of them.
About your sentence with FREE OpenBSD, it's another discussion, but like everyone in the community says: "Free speach not free bear"...
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