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OpenBSD turns 4.3-beta

Contributed by jason on from the so-excited-about-a-new-release-I-could-wet-myself dept.

Update (Feb 22 2008, 10:49:40 CET):
OpenBSD 4.3-beta snapshots has now been finished and should be on your local mirror soon.
Please help test these!

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Miod Vallat (miod@) issued the 4.3-beta commit bit today, around the same time that Christian Weisgerber (naddy@) announced the ports tree is locked. Xenocara is expected to freeze very soon.

CVSROOT:	/cvs
Module name:	src
Changes by:	miod@cvs.openbsd.org	2008/02/20 10:46:51

Modified files:
	distrib/miniroot: install.sub 
	etc/root       : root.mail 
	share/mk       : sys.mk 
	share/tmac/mdoc: doc-common 
	sys/arch/macppc/stand/tbxidata: bsd.tbxi 
	sys/conf       : newvers.sh 

Log message:
4.3-beta

The 4.3 release will be tagged soon after Theo returns from his trip. Therefore we ask that you help test all parts of OpenBSD and report any critical bugs and problems you can find so we can release a fully functional and stable OpenBSD 4.3.

(Comments are closed)


Comments
  1. By Anonymous Coward (24.37.242.64) on

    The 4.3 release will be tagged soon after Theo returns from his trip.

    Does that mean that the 'actual' 4.3-RELEASE will be available via CVS, before ~May and before the CD's & FTP are published? or would it it still be marked as or considered -beta or -current?

    Comments
    1. By Brad (216.138.195.228) brad at comstyle dot com on

      > The 4.3 release will be tagged soon after Theo returns from his trip.
      >
      > Does that mean that the 'actual' 4.3-RELEASE will be available via CVS, before ~May and before the CD's

      Same process happens every single release for the last 12 years.

    2. By Brynet (Brynet) on

      > The 4.3 release will be tagged soon after Theo returns from his trip.
      >
      > Does that mean that the 'actual' 4.3-RELEASE will be available via CVS, before ~May and before the CD's

      Yes, 4.3-RELEASE will be tagged months before it's "officially" released on CD and via the mirrors.

      After it's tagged, 4.3-CURRENT will have already started... ;)

      Comments
      1. By Anonymous Coward (24.37.242.64) on

        > > The 4.3 release will be tagged soon after Theo returns from his trip.
        > >
        > > Does that mean that the 'actual' 4.3-RELEASE will be available via CVS, before ~May and before the CD's
        >
        > Yes, 4.3-RELEASE will be tagged months before it's "officially" released on CD and via the mirrors.
        >
        > After it's tagged, 4.3-CURRENT will have already started... ;)

        There's a proper answer! Thank you!

  2. By Anonymous Coward (85.178.113.76) on

    Well then lets mention some patches wich where released recently:

    Please get pcre, xorg, gnome glib, drupal, moinmoin and apache updates before you lock the tree finaly. :)


    Thanks!

    p.s.
    Will 4.3 have a "maintained" ports-tree this time?!

    Comments
    1. By Anonymous Coward (74.14.139.80) on

      > Well then lets mention some patches wich where released recently:
      >
      > Please get pcre, xorg, gnome glib, drupal, moinmoin and apache updates before you lock the tree finaly. :)
      >
      >
      > Thanks!
      >
      > p.s.
      > Will 4.3 have a "maintained" ports-tree this time?!

      Will you be doing the work?

      Comments
      1. By Anonymous Coward (85.178.113.76) on

        > > Well then lets mention some patches wich where released recently:
        > >
        > > Please get pcre, xorg, gnome glib, drupal, moinmoin and apache updates before you lock the tree finaly. :)
        > >
        > >
        > > Thanks!
        > >
        > > p.s.
        > > Will 4.3 have a "maintained" ports-tree this time?!
        >
        > Will you be doing the work?

        Maintaining the ports tree?!
        Well.. i could try.

        Comments
        1. By Anonymous Coward (70.141.212.164) on

          > > > Well then lets mention some patches wich where released recently:
          > > >
          > > > Please get pcre, xorg, gnome glib, drupal, moinmoin and apache updates before you lock the tree finaly. :)
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > Thanks!
          > > >
          > > > p.s.
          > > > Will 4.3 have a "maintained" ports-tree this time?!
          > >
          > > Will you be doing the work?
          >
          > Maintaining the ports tree?!
          > Well.. i could try.

          Do or do not. There is no try.

          Comments
          1. By Anonymous Coward (85.178.113.76) on

            > > > > Well then lets mention some patches wich where released recently:
            > > > >
            > > > > Please get pcre, xorg, gnome glib, drupal, moinmoin and apache updates before you lock the tree finaly. :)
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > > Thanks!
            > > > >
            > > > > p.s.
            > > > > Will 4.3 have a "maintained" ports-tree this time?!
            > > >
            > > > Will you be doing the work?
            > >
            > > Maintaining the ports tree?!
            > > Well.. i could try.
            >
            > Do or do not. There is no try.

            Well..
            Even I'm sure I wont be able to fix everything this would keep the door open for sec. updates. :)

            So if that's a serious offer: I would do it...

            Comments
            1. By Paul Greidanus (paul) on I won't bore you with a website now.

              > > > > > Well then lets mention some patches wich where released recently:
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Please get pcre, xorg, gnome glib, drupal, moinmoin and apache updates before you lock the tree finaly. :)
              > > > > >
              > > > > >
              > > > > > Thanks!
              > > > > >
              > > > > > p.s.
              > > > > > Will 4.3 have a "maintained" ports-tree this time?!
              > > > >
              > > > > Will you be doing the work?
              > > >
              > > > Maintaining the ports tree?!
              > > > Well.. i could try.
              > >
              > > Do or do not. There is no try.
              >
              > Well..
              > Even I'm sure I wont be able to fix everything this would keep the door open for sec. updates. :)
              >
              > So if that's a serious offer: I would do it...

              Maybe if you define what you mean by "maintained" a little better, and maybe move this discussion over to ports@openbsd.org, you can possibly be of a great help to the project. Anyone who is seriously able and willing to help should be welcomed.


        2. By Siankin (89.191.97.92) on

          > > Will you be doing the work?
          >
          > Maintaining the ports tree?!
          > Well.. i could try.

          Help from non-developers are not needed.
          There have been offers in ports@ before.
          All got ignored.

          You will see, that -stable is here just to get
          you buying CD's every 6 month.

          Comments
          1. By phessler (204.16.153.246) on

            > > > Will you be doing the work?
            > >
            > > Maintaining the ports tree?!
            > > Well.. i could try.
            >
            > Help from non-developers are not needed.
            > There have been offers in ports@ before.
            > All got ignored.

            if by 'ignored' you mean "the people complaining didn't step up and do the work", then you're correct.

            Comments
            1. By Ian McWilliam (202.7.166.175) on

              > > > > Will you be doing the work?
              > > >

              I do.

              > > > Maintaining the ports tree?!

              I maintain my own -stable ports tree.

              > > > Well.. i could try.
              > >
              > > Help from non-developers are not needed.
              > > There have been offers in ports@ before.
              > > All got ignored.
              >
              > if by 'ignored' you mean "the people complaining didn't step up and do the work", then you're correct.

              No, there are people who care what they run in production, especially when security announcements are made by the original software authors for something that exists in -stable ports that we use. Some even submitted patches to ports@ (in my case, knowing no ports person would care) just so the patch would be in a searchable archive for others to find.

              It was s sad day (for me at least) to read an undeadly article about all the wonderful new ports people that have come on board, then to see a few weeks later on ports@ that no one wants to give a rats ass about -stable ports anymore. (If I cared enough, I'd reference the two)

              Let the flame war begin..........

              Comments
              1. By Anonymous Coward (85.178.126.0) on

                > > > > > Will you be doing the work?
                > > > >
                >
                > I do.
                >
                > > > > Maintaining the ports tree?!
                >
                > I maintain my own -stable ports tree.
                >
                > > > > Well.. i could try.
                > > >
                > > > Help from non-developers are not needed.
                > > > There have been offers in ports@ before.
                > > > All got ignored.
                > >
                > > if by 'ignored' you mean "the people complaining didn't step up and do the work", then you're correct.
                >
                > No, there are people who care what they run in production, especially when security announcements are made by the original software authors for something that exists in -stable ports that we use. Some even submitted patches to ports@ (in my case, knowing no ports person would care) just so the patch would be in a searchable archive for others to find.
                >
                > It was s sad day (for me at least) to read an undeadly article about all the wonderful new ports people that have come on board, then to see a few weeks later on ports@ that no one wants to give a rats ass about -stable ports anymore. (If I cared enough, I'd reference the two)
                >
                > Let the flame war begin..........

                Well I just angree to your arguments...
                "Who the fuck needs new Ports if the old ones don't get updated?".
                Let ups get more and more and even more things into the tree nobody updates for -stable. :-)

                Well.. I WOULD DO IT.
                Give me just access to the ports. I WOULD TAKE CARE even I can't update all ports by myself.


                If it's abut manpower so let me spend 4-6hours a wekk for this.

                Kind regards,
                Sebastian Rother

                Comments
                1. By Anonymous Coward (76.250.126.209) on

                  I think I would stop committing code if you were given access.

                  Comments
                  1. By Anonymous Coward (85.178.122.192) on

                    > I think I would stop committing code if you were given access.

                    At least I don't change things and break others by doing so... like Henning (and of course it's just a reliability fix :-p) :-)

                    So what do u've to lose? Give access (just for ports) and proof that I do suck.... that's YOUR chance to proof I don't know what I do + to show everybody I'm plain stupid....

                    You could always say "God damn this retard realy fucked it up" and abuse me as an exception like "Oh we WOULD HAVE DONE IT but then we trusted him and he fucked it up...".

                    And if Henning feels free to start trolling again: If I would have messed up with a Service/Account/Whatever_your_TAX_Number_is and didn't checked it's functionality afterwards I would get fired...
                    But if Henning forgets to check basic FW opperations it's a minor issue... Dudes stay calm.. nobody is perfect. And I'm for sure no angel.

                    Anyway.. give me the chance to fail... give me the chance to show everybody what a stupid retard I am (and not just by words but by the things I'll do...) or stfu....

                    All you dudes is whining + talking crap because you make it personal except of talking about facts or ideas or about things wich help the openbsd project.

                    I'm too dumb to maintain ports? Proof it... or choose somebody else who does it.

                    And who will maintain stable-ports? It's for sure also NOT YOU... who'll do it, right? :-)

                    And now enought bitching. My offer stands...
                    So the decission is yours... but hey.. you've luck: I#ll be propably NOT the only guy who would take this responsebility. So feel free to select somebody else.

                    Comments
                    1. By Brad (216.138.195.228) brad at comstyle dot com on

                      > At least I don't change things and break others by doing so... like Henning (and of course it's just a reliability fix :-p) :-)

                      And what broke? where are the god damn details? Maybe you should listen to what you yourself said and give details. File a PR if something broke instead of talking shit.

                    2. By Anonymous Coward (76.250.126.209) on

                      There is a difference between you and henning. Henning knows what he is talking about and you are a jackass. You have proven over time that you do not posses the psychological maturity and quite frankly the intelligence required to maintain ports. Your submissions are bad or stupid. The articles you point out are completely retarded and uninteresting. You behave like a child and throw tantrums like a 3 year old. You have offended everyone in the project at least once. What makes you think that anyone would ever take you seriously? Go to Linux, people are ok with your type there.

                      Comments
                      1. By Anonymous Coward (189.25.194.116) on

                        you mean he qualifies for project leader?

                        Comments
                        1. By Anonymous Coward (76.250.126.209) on

                          > you mean he qualifies for project leader?

                          No, you actually need to be right more often than not. He is consistently proven to be a moron that doesn't know shit about shit.

                          Comments
                          1. By Anonymous Coward (85.178.122.192) on

                            > > you mean he qualifies for project leader?
                            >
                            > No, you actually need to be right more often than not. He is consistently proven to be a moron that doesn't know shit about shit.

                            Nice that all ofyou post anonymously..:-D
                            Ofcourse I'm a moron.. I'm a nazi, communist and whatever you want me to be.. it's all pointless... as long as we do it for openbsd...

                            And if you think differently you better use a different OS.
                            To be friendly is not a depency to do anything for the project so I give a fuck about the devs as I give a fuck about any other dude... that doesn't mean I#m wrong. Henning never explained anything or proofe dme wrong. WITH NO ANSWER he proofed me wrong.. he just flamed me...


                            Did I flamed the devs to request the keyboard layout to get set during the install? Sure I did.. for over a year.. and now it's included..

                            I did that with soem other things as well like reducing the version string of Apache because tools like nikto nerved me.. and now it's default. So seriously: fuck you all, specialy those who JUST flamed without anything in mind. :)

                            Kind regards,
                            Sebastian

                            Comments
                            1. By Brad (216.138.195.228) brad at comstyle dot com on

                              > Did I flamed the devs to request the keyboard layout to get set during the install? Sure I did.. for over a year.. and now it's included..
                              >
                              > I did that with soem other things as well like reducing the version string of Apache because tools like nikto nerved me.. and now it's default. So seriously: fuck you all, specialy those who JUST flamed without anything in mind. :)

                              I hate to break it to you but neither of these changes were because of you requesting them or the reasoning you have given.

                              Comments
                              1. By Anonymous Coward (88.191.25.27) on

                                > > Did I flamed the devs to request the keyboard layout to get set during the install? Sure I did.. for over a year.. and now it's included..
                                > >
                                > > I did that with soem other things as well like reducing the version string of Apache because tools like nikto nerved me.. and now it's default. So seriously: fuck you all, specialy those who JUST flamed without anything in mind. :)
                                >
                                > I hate to break it to you but neither of these changes were because of you requesting them or the reasoning you have given.

                                Of course not because of me. I'm sorry for my very bad phrasing!
                                But it's a known secret that I requsted these things and was kinda agressive about it and later they went in. Of course not because of _ME_. But hell I made the sugestions...

                                And if you wanna get another "I told you so"-storry take a look at misc@ where people claim their boxcrashs during using rtorrent and OpenBSD 4.2...

                                And then just use google...

                                You'll may even find THIS:
                                http://www.nabble.com/Re:-kernel-5690:-system-crash-when-running-rtorrent-td14534018.html

                                And that's the problem of you folks.. you make it something personal except of getting over it and start to _do_ what you like to do.. improving OpenBSD. :)

                                Those bugs/issues are there no matter if you love, hate or marry me...

                                And if you rly ignore everything I comment hell I'll try to find even more issues so that nothing gets fixed or improved at the end.. how does this help you then? :)

                                So did you dudes something for _me_ personally..? No of course not.
                                Did I ever do something for YOU? No and I propably never will..

                                But no matter if you hate me or love me: Let _us_ do something for OpenBSD at least. At least that's my point of view and if some idiots claim "I wont develop it further if HE gets commit rights" it just shows how narrowminded they're..

                                Outdated ports, bugs, typos in manpages.. nothing went away if I disappear..

                                And I wonder how you'll fix these kernelbugs without giving me a credit at all.. Maybe you'll wait a year or more and then somebody else (maybe Mr. Henning?!) discovers it by "accident". Like they noticed by accident that it nerves to send out a wrong Apache Banner 'course tools like nikto gonna nerve 'em... :-)

                                Anyway.. lets seriously drop the bitching.
                                Things don't get done either by excluding the people who even ask to assist.

          2. By Anonymous Coward (216.68.198.1) on

            Re: 'You will see, that -stable is here just to get you buying CD's every 6 months.'

            Ignoring mainy fine arguments against this, still, ~$100 a year on OpenBSD is very cheap, compared to the long term savings of having a quality code base. Worth it, and if takes a bit of tweaking to help keep the project going, so be it.

            Besides, I'm still running a 4.1 release version, with probably no or little problems. Never patched or whatever, some mods, but nothing with c code. Custom kernel, but still, you can run an OpenBSD system for a while, going to keep running it until it breaks or whatever, test. Is patching that hard? Instructions are correct, works, does take time though, what is the big gripe?

            Comments
            1. By Anonymous Coward (85.178.126.0) on

              > Re: 'You will see, that -stable is here just to get you buying CD's every 6 months.'
              >
              > Ignoring mainy fine arguments against this, still, ~$100 a year on OpenBSD is very cheap, compared to the long term savings of having a quality code base. Worth it, and if takes a bit of tweaking to help keep the project going, so be it.
              >
              > Besides, I'm still running a 4.1 release version, with probably no or little problems. Never patched or whatever, some mods, but nothing with c code. Custom kernel, but still, you can run an OpenBSD system for a while, going to keep running it until it breaks or whatever, test. Is patching that hard? Instructions are correct, works, does take time though, what is the big gripe?

              Well not everybody has servers nobody uses.
              If I have a OpenBSD shell server for students and an application there allows to DoS the OS or the service on a regulary basis it is just not realy funny. I for myself had a 3.9 FW until I updated recently. So I guess it depends to the enviroment you've.

            2. By Anonymous Coward (122.49.133.215) on

              You've been drinking, haven't you?

    2. By Anonymous Coward (213.41.185.88) on

      > Well then lets mention some patches wich where released recently:
      >
      > Please get pcre, xorg, gnome glib, drupal, moinmoin and apache updates before you lock the tree finaly. :)
      >
      >
      > Thanks!
      >
      > p.s.
      > Will 4.3 have a "maintained" ports-tree this time?!

      What drupal updates ? if you think drupal6, there's no real interest in importing it right now, there are still a lot of useful modules not ported over (views and cck among others).

      Comments
      1. By Anonymous Coward (71.41.117.107) on

        >
        > What drupal updates ? if you think drupal6, there's no real interest in importing it right now, there are still a lot of useful modules not ported over (views and cck among others).


        I'd think most of us don't use a port to do drupal.... anyways..

        BUT drupal 6 menu changes ROCK!
        just drag away!

        Comments
        1. By Marc Espie (213.41.185.88) espie@openbsd.org on

          > >
          > > What drupal updates ? if you think drupal6, there's no real interest in importing it right now, there are still a lot of useful modules not ported over (views and cck among others).
          >
          >
          > I'd think most of us don't use a port to do drupal.... anyways..

          Have fun. There are *patches* in those drupal ports, you know...
          just set up linktocontent and imce and tinymce by hand, yeah right.

          > BUT drupal 6 menu changes ROCK!
          > just drag away!

          drupal menus suck, even in drupal6. I can't believe there's still no easy way to move an item from a menu to another menu. You have to recreate the item from scratch.

          Basic usage: well, move the admin menu to another block somewhere else. Or put more stuff that belongs there together with the login block...

          oh well...

          Comments
          1. By Anonymous Coward (64.129.81.169) on

            > drupal menus suck, even in drupal6. I can't believe there's still no easy way to move an item from a menu to another menu. You have to recreate the item from scratch.
            >
            > Basic usage: well, move the admin menu to another block somewhere else. Or put more stuff that belongs there together with the login block...
            >

            ? Have you tried drupal6 drag and drop yet? The drag and drop works across menu items.. have not tried dragging from say, navigation to primary...

            http://video.aol.com/video-detail/drag-and-drop-in-drupal-6/3980898142


            also

            "Drag-and-drop administration

            Use drag-and-drop to create and manage your site's menus. Move blocks around to change the content on your pages, or organize books intuitively by dragging pages to their proper place.

            The drag-and-drop interface is available for menu items, forums, taxonomy terms, uploaded files, input formats and profile fields."


            ALAS many of the projects are not ready for drupal 6.1 so agreed, best stay with 5 for your ports.

  3. By Anonymous Coward (71.41.117.107) on



    AMEN on testing,

    due to the excitement of this thread I testd
    and found that mod_dav needed the directory for expat in Makefile, per discussion on ports@misc.openbsd.org

    SO yes hurry and test, just because you can make a package and install does not mean it will work, mod_dav was a case in point.

    :)

    Comments
    1. By Anonymous Coward (71.41.117.107) on

      > per discussion on ports@misc.openbsd.org
      ports@openbsd.org


      darn fingers..... an insight on how the brain works... or doesn't :)

  4. By Anonymous Coward (82.95.251.82) on

    1. The Abiword package is build on a system with some odd lib dependency which does not belong there, so giving an installation error;

    # pkg_add -i abiword
    gnome-icon-theme-2.20.0p1: complete
    libgnomecanvas-2.20.1.1p0:python-expat-2.5.1p7: complete
    libgnomecanvas-2.20.1.1p0:libglade2-2.6.2p0: complete
    libgnomecanvas-2.20.1.1p0:gail-1.20.2p0: complete
    libgnomecanvas-2.20.1.1p0: complete
    libgnomeprint-2.18.4: complete
    libgnomeprintui-2.18.1p0: complete
    Can't install abiword-2.4.6p2: lib not found popt.0.3
    Dependencies for abiword-2.4.6p2 resolve to: gettext-0.16.1, libgnomecanvas-2.20.1.1p0, libgnomeprint-2.18.4, glitz-0.5.6p0, pango-1.18.4, png-1.2.22, libgnomeprintui-2.18.1p0, libiconv-1.9.2p5, cairo-1.4.14, libart-2.3.20, fribidi-0.10.4p0, glib2-2.14.5, gtk+2-2.12.7, atk-1.20.0p0, desktop-file-utils-0.14p1, libglade2-2.6.2p0 (todo: libgnomeprintui-2.18.1p0)
    Full dependency tree is gettext-0.16.1,python-2.5.1p7,libgnomecanvas-2.20.1.1p0,libgnomeprint-2.18.4,glitz-0.5.6p0,pango-1.18.4,png-1.2.22,libgnomeprintui-2.18.1p0,libxml-2.6.30,libiconv-1.9.2p5,cairo-1.4.14,hicolor-icon-theme-0.10p1,gail-1.20.2p0,gnome-icon-theme-2.20.0p1,libart-2.3.20,jpeg-6bp3,fribidi-0.10.4p0,python-expat-2.5.1p7,glib2-2.14.5,gtk+2-2.12.7,tiff-3.8.2p0,atk-1.20.0p0,pcre-7.6,desktop-file-utils-0.14p1,libglade2-2.6.2p0

    2. When not using the default drive setup with swap /tmp etc... coredump is giving a configuration error, coming from line 422 in /etc/rc;

    # /var/crash should be a directory or a symbolic link
    # to the crash directory if core dumps are to be saved.
    if [ -d /var/crash ]; then
    savecore ${savecore_flags} /var/crash
    fi

    output:
    savecore: /dev/wd0b: Device not configured

    3. I would recommend adding 'keyboard.bell.pitch=0' to /etc/wsconsctl.conf for muting the keyboard bell instead of using keyboard.bell.volume=0. The first is always working, the second isn't.

    Comments
    1. By Anonymous Coward (82.95.251.82) on

      Abiword is working with latest snapshot and packages (26/2).

      thanks for all the effort done for a great os like obsd ;-)

      Jan

  5. By Jim Razmus II (jim) jtr2-undeadly@bonetruck.org on http://www.bonetruck.org/

    Updated four i386 based machines to the Feb 21 -beta. Three of these hosts are clients (2 laptops and 1 desktop). The other is a server. Also updated my Sparc64 Netra T1 server using Feb 21 -beta. All are running just fine.

    Partial list of the ports I or my wife use daily:
    dwm and WindowMaker
    evince and xpdf
    mozilla-firefox, privoxy
    mutt, abook, procmail
    vim and perltidy
    xfm

    So far so good!

  6. By Anonymous toolazytologinandorusecookiestoautoauthenticate (24.37.242.64) on

    spdmem(4)

    Awesome stuff! I was hoping for something like this recently.

  7. By David Alten (64.132.1.80) on

    I can't get an IBM xSeries 330 server to boot with acpi enabled. Can't get serial output, but did get some screenshots if anyone wants them.

  8. By Anonymous Coward (71.41.117.107) on



    As I understand, the current will continue on towards 4.4 at some point, so should be checking out src for "current" to test openbsd 4.3 beta...

    or will there be a branch tag like OPENBSD_4_3_BETA or OPENBSD_4_3_BASE that we should checkout to test what is releasing?

    ?

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