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OpenBSD 4.2 pre-orders arriving in Canada!

Contributed by sean on from the neither rain, sleet, snow nor release date will stop puffy dept.

This morning I got a nice parcel from Canada Post with my order of 4.2 discs! The stickers are different, and the booklet story is quite amusing with the release theme being "Secure, Open and Free Marathon." As was in the last release the new DVD cases arrived in impeccable shape (ie. no busted disks or cases). One notable difference is that disc 3 only boots SPARC64 (instead of both SPARC and SPARC64 as in past releases).

Yet another fantastic release! Make sure to order yours now. (Order from Europe)

More images after the jump.

Here is a nice overview shot of the case and it's contents.
The coffee is for scale and also an early morning pick-me-up!

Here is a shot of the booklet cover and the stickers. The stickers feel very different than last release but a nice giant puffy sticker is always well worth the price alone.

And finally (for completeness sake) a shot of the case inside and out. If you want to see what is in the booklet and enjoy the cartoon story then I suggest you grab a copy (Order from Europe) for yourself.

Thanks to dwc for hosting the images.

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Comments

  1. By Venture37 (venture37) venture37<A>hotmail.com on www.geeklan.co.uk

    thank god Wim ships via courier, the postoffice in the uk has announced a 6 days strike starting tomorrow.

    Comments

    1. By Alex Hafey (82.69.184.245) on

      > thank god Wim ships via courier, the postoffice in the uk has announced a 6 days strike starting tomorrow.

      Absolutely! Mail hasn't been reliable for some time and there's also the disruption either side of the strike.

      Must... be... patient...

      Cheers,
      Alex.

    2. By Christian Binder (194.113.40.219) on

      I hope, Wim is at the munich systems in the end of october, so I can get the CDs direktly.

      Greets and as always, thanks for your good work

      Christian

      Comments

      1. By Wim (88.82.33.37) wim@kd85.com on https://kd85.com/notforsale.html

        > I hope, Wim is at the munich systems in the end of october, so I can get the CDs direktly.

        Yes, have a look at events.html, We'll be at Systems 2007 with an OpenBSD and OpenSSH booth. You can also join us next week at the free event T-DOSE in Eindhoven.

        There are some more small events coming up like Essen and such but those I'll add when the pressure drops here and I get a decend night of sleep ;-)

    3. By Venture37 (venture37) on www.geeklan.co.uk

      > thank god Wim ships via courier, the postoffice in the uk has announced a 6 days strike starting tomorrow.

      Got a shipping notification in my mailbox:
      Location Date Local Time Description
      BRUSSELS,
      BE 05/10/2007 20:13 ORIGIN SCAN
      BE 05/10/2007 10:12 BILLING INFORMATION RECEIVED


      Comments

      1. By Wim (88.82.33.37) wim@kd85.com on https://kd85.com/notforsale.html

        > > thank god Wim ships via courier, the postoffice in the uk has announced a 6 days strike starting tomorrow. 
> 
> Got a shipping notification in my mailbox:
> Location	 Date	 Local Time	 Description
> BRUSSELS,
> BE	 05/10/2007	 20:13	 ORIGIN SCAN
> BE	 05/10/2007	 10:12	 BILLING INFORMATION RECEIVED
        Wel, some of you will get the package on Monday, others will have to wait until Monday for their package to be shipped out. I had to drive to UPS Brussels yesterday noon, get the 19 packages from a container, bitch to the operational manager because they had caused damage in transit (no news here).

        In the afternoon 114 orders were packaged and I was able to drop them off at the transport depot in Brussels around 21h15. It's all nice when a plan falls apart ;-)

        Comments

        1. By Venture37 (venture37) on www.geeklan.co.uk

          >
          > thank god Wim ships via courier, the postoffice in the uk has announced a 6 days strike starting tomorrow.
          >
          > Got a shipping notification in my mailbox:
          > Location Date Local Time Description
          > BRUSSELS,
          > BE 05/10/2007 20:13 ORIGIN SCAN
          > BE 05/10/2007 10:12 BILLING INFORMATION RECEIVED
          >
          > Wel, some of you will get the package on Monday, others will have to
          > wait until Monday for their package to be shipped out. I had to drive to UPS Brussels yesterday noon, get the 19 packages from a container, bitch to the operational manager because they had caused damage in transit (no news here).
          >
          > In the afternoon 114 orders were packaged and I was able to drop them off at the transport depot in Brussels around 21h15. It's all nice when a plan falls apart ;-)
          >
          >

          fingers crossed mate, I cant wait to roll this out on my firewalls

  2. By Mark Carlson (dextromulous) carlsonmark@gmail.com on http://mcarlson.ca

    Awesome, I can't wait to get home and check my mail box now!

    I realy hope this package doesn't get lost like a lot of my important mail seems to :-(.

  3. By Martin Schröder (87.157.111.62) martin@oneiros.de on http://www.oneiros.de

    So what's the song? The 4.2 page still has it as tba...

    Comments

    1. By sean (sean) on I don't work here.

      > So what's the song? The 4.2 page still has it as tba...

      I'm not usually interested in the song.
      Because you asked I took a quick listen and it's 'soft-rock like' feels like an 80's movie track. But I'm probably way off. Not my kind of music but it is there on disc 2.

      Comments

      1. By Anonymous Coward (128.171.90.200) on

        > > So what's the song? The 4.2 page still has it as tba...
        >
        > I'm not usually interested in the song.

        The song is superfluous, but often quite amusing all the same.

        I tend not to listen to them, but read the lyrics online.

        Comments

        1. By Will Backman (216.220.225.229) on

          I'm always hoping the next song will be a good one to replace my current opening music on BSDTalk.

          -- Will

          Comments

          1. By Mark Carlson (dextromulous) on http://mcarlson.ca

            > I'm always hoping the next song will be a good one to replace my current opening music on BSDTalk.
            >
            > -- Will
            >
            >

            Aw, come on, what's wrong with a little "Humppa" music?

  4. By Floor Terra (80.56.133.83) on

    A beautiful case!
    I will buy one once they arrive in a physical store in Amsterdam.

    Keep up the great work.

    Comments

    1. By Kevin (163.192.21.44) on

      I'm going to be in Amsterdam at the end of the month, and I ordered an extra CD set...

      Is there much of an OpenBSD community in Amsterdam? All I see when I do a search is Henning's hosting service.

      Comments

      1. By Anonymous Coward (128.171.90.200) on

        > Is there much of an OpenBSD community in Amsterdam? All I see when I do a search is Henning's hosting service.

        ... which is based in Germany ... no ?

      2. By Hanz (194.121.239.138) hanz@hanz.nl on

        > I'm going to be in Amsterdam at the end of the month, and I ordered an extra CD set...
        >
        > Is there much of an OpenBSD community in Amsterdam? All I see when I do a search is Henning's hosting service.

        Well, there's Floor and there's me. Let's have a beer sometime!

        I did see someone with a fluorescent yellow jacket with Puffy on the back a few times at the ferry's behind Central Station.
        Hollar if you read this :-)

        Comments

        1. By Kevin (163.192.21.44) kkadow@gmail.com on

          > > Is there much of an OpenBSD community in Amsterdam?
          >
          > Well, there's Floor and there's me. Let's have a beer sometime!

          Sounds good. The email address on this post is the best way to reach me.


          I'm coming in at the end of the month (mostly for Museum Night, and to upgrade a couple of servers), spending a week working in Amsterdam, a couple of days in The Hague, and then I have a week off :)

        2. By Floor Terra (80.56.133.83) floort@gmail.com on http://brobding.mine.nu

          > > I'm going to be in Amsterdam at the end of the month, and I ordered an extra CD set...
          > >
          > > Is there much of an OpenBSD community in Amsterdam? All I see when I do a search is Henning's hosting service.
          >
          > Well, there's Floor and there's me. Let's have a beer sometime!
          >
          > I did see someone with a fluorescent yellow jacket with Puffy on the back a few times at the ferry's behind Central Station.
          > Hollar if you read this :-)
          >
          >

          I still don't have a OpenBSD shirt because every option to buy one seems to involve a credit card. I do have a wireframe puffy sticker on the back of my PowerBook.
          A while ago I saw someone with a "stop blob" tshirt (I believe) in the University of Amsterdam. There's more of us than you might think ;-).

          A beer would be fun!

          Comments

          1. By Kevin (163.192.21.43) kkadow@gmail.com on

            Right now my itinerary is USA -> Amsterdam -> The Hague -> Haarlem -> Amsterdam -> Copenhagen -> USA, but there's some flexibility in there, particularly if a brewery tour is involved.

            > I still don't have a OpenBSD shirt because every option
            > to buy one seems to involve a credit card.
            . . .
            > A beer would be fun!

            I see an opportunity for arbitrage...
            drop me an email with your T-shirt size and design preference :)


          2. By Wim (88.82.33.37) wim@kd85.com on https://kd85.com/notforsale.html


            > I still don't have a OpenBSD shirt because every option to buy one seems to involve a credit card. I do have a wireframe puffy sticker on the back of my PowerBook.

            Actually you can just order a Tshirt with an IBAN wire transfer from the webform (just select Prearranged as payment) or pick up a Tshirt at the many events we are at.

  5. By Simon (2001:a60:f000:57::2) on

    Are there pics of the T-Shirt?

    Comments

    1. By Sean Cody (sean) on I don't work here.

      > Are there pics of the T-Shirt?

      I didn't buy a shirt... yet.
      Therefore no, I don't have a picture of it.

    2. By pete gilman (66.31.226.160) on http://p3t3.net

      > Are there pics of the T-Shirt?

      http://www.openbsd.org/images/tshirt-28_front.gif

  6. By Shane J Pearson (59.167.252.29) on

    ROFL at the blinged up Sun fish and the very fat Windows fish. And is that OSX fish listening to an iPod and feeling sad and weak? Because she's been left behind in security features even by Windows fish?

    Beastie looks determined, but Tux looks smug before the race has even started. He's got a look reminiscient of Hare in his eyes.

    But Puffy... is relaxed. Like any really confident, proven athlete should be before a marathon. He's got nothing to worry about, since he runs marathons for a living and knows that this marathon should not actually end and he won't be eaten by Orca.

    Comments

    1. By Anonymous Coward (58.104.170.45) on

      you thought about that way too much... :)

      Comments

      1. By Shane J Pearson (203.20.79.132) on

        > you thought about that way too much... :)

        I was up at 5am this morning, doing something for a friend, waiting for it to complete, listening to Bach and sipping tea.

        Not even Bach could soothe my love for Puffy. ;-)

        Comments

        1. By Anonymous Coward (128.171.90.200) on

          >is that OSX fish listening to an iPod and feeling sad and weak? Because she's been left behind in security features even by Windows fish?

          thats a joke right ?

          Comments

  7. By Luca Corti (81.208.36.86) on

    Any idea when CDs will be shipping in Europe?

    Comments

    1. By Wim Vandeputte (wvdputte) wim@kd85.com on https://kd85.com/notforsale.html

      > Any idea when CDs will be shipping in Europe?

      As the current shipment is stuck at customs due to missing paperwork, I expect the CDs here on Friday

      At least we can comfort in the fact that the stickers kick ass as they came from Europe ;-)


  8. By JA (24.37.242.64) on

    I heard an old Twisted Sister song today and it really made me think of OpenBSD and Theo...

    I think OpenBSD's next theme song should be similar to the song 'We're not gonna take it' by Twisted Sister - Lyrics

    Comments

    1. By Anonymous Coward (128.171.90.200) on

      Maybe some ABBA ...

      # Honey I'm still free, take a chance on me #

      ;p

      Comments

      1. By Hanz (194.121.239.138) on

        I want my, I want my BSD.
        Get your freedom for nothin' and your OS for free.

        Comments

        1. By jkm (194.237.142.21) on

          >
          > I want my, I want my BSD.
          > Get your freedom for nothin' and your OS for free.
          >

          Second that!

    2. By Anonymous Coward (128.171.90.200) on

      # Still ... securing networks all across the world #
      # Still ... stack smash protecting all my binaries, Girl #
      # Still ... taking my time to perfect PCC #
      # .. and I still am open and free #
      # It's the B.S.D ... #

  9. By almeida (almeida) on

    Crud! I forgot to pre-order!

    Comments

    1. By Anonymous Coward (81.11.148.226) on

      > Crud! I forgot to pre-order!

      Create Read Update Delete !

  10. By Gerald Thornberry (glthornberry) on

    Got a notice yesterday that mine was shipping and would arrive in 4 to 10 days (Kentucky, USA). So far the USPS Tracking System says there is no record of the shipment yet. It will probably get into the system in the next day or so.

    Anyone in the US received theirs yet?

    Comments

    1. By Devin Smith (drs) on

      > Got a notice yesterday that mine was shipping and would arrive in 4 to 10 days (Kentucky, USA). So far the USPS Tracking System says there is no record of the shipment yet. It will probably get into the system in the next day or so.
      >
      > Anyone in the US received theirs yet?

      I'm in the same boat. California here. You'll probably get it before me.

      Comments

      1. By Anonymous Coward (128.171.90.200) on

        > I'm in the same boat. California here. You'll probably get it before me.

        In Hawai'i, I'll get mine for Christmas

        ( doesn't help I ordered yesterday )

        Comments

        1. By Anonymous Coward (128.171.90.200) on

          > ( doesn't help I ordered yesterday )

          just got email confirmation of shipping

      2. By Matthew Dempsky (76.235.124.214) on

        > I'm in the same boat. California here. You'll probably get it before me.

        I'm in San Francisco, and mine just arrived this morning. :-)

        Comments

        1. By John Karabaic (24.123.8.243) openbsd@exnext.com on

          > > I'm in the same boat. California here. You'll probably get it before me.
          >
          > I'm in San Francisco, and mine just arrived this morning. :-)

          I'm in Cincinnati. Mine just arrived today, with my spiffy t-shirt.

          I'm so glad they're back to black on the shirts. The aqua 4.1 shirt was a fashion nightmare.

          jk

    2. By corey (208.191.177.19) on

      Ditto. I usually see it in 3-5 days after I get the email (in Texas).

      Swim faster, Puffy! I have a virgin Soekris net5501 with an 8GB CF card waiting longingly for you :)

      Comments

      1. By Anonymous Coward (137.240.136.80) on

        > Ditto. I usually see it in 3-5 days after I get the email (in Texas).
        >
        All the times in the past I have ordered CDs (Oklahoma) the CDS come *after* the release date..
        So I just started donating instead..

      2. By Aaron P. (98.197.40.49) on

        > Ditto. I usually see it in 3-5 days after I get the email (in Texas).
        >
        > Swim faster, Puffy! I have a virgin Soekris net5501 with an 8GB CF card waiting longingly for you :)

        Where are you in Texas. I'm in Houston.

        Comments

        1. By corey (208.191.177.19) on

          > Where are you in Texas. I'm in Houston.

          50 miles south, in Lake Jackson area. Still haven't received my CD yet, though.

          Comments

          1. By Aaron P. (98.197.40.49) akp@hypernote.com on

            > > Where are you in Texas. I'm in Houston.
            >
            > 50 miles south, in Lake Jackson area. Still haven't received my CD yet, though.
            >

            Ron Paul territory! Cool.

            I'd like to try and pull together a meeting of OpenBSD users in Houston area. If you're interested, please send me an email.

            --Aaron

            P.S. I received my CDs this past Monday. Happy days!

    3. By Lawrence Teo (lteo) on http://labs.calyptix.com/

      > Got a notice yesterday that mine was shipping and would arrive in 4 to 10 days (Kentucky, USA). So far the USPS Tracking System says there is no record of the shipment yet. It will probably get into the system in the next day or so.
      >
      > Anyone in the US received theirs yet?

      I got the same notice on October 2 (North Carolina, USA). It's still not in the USPS tracking system though as of now (October 4, 9:54PM Eastern).

      For my past OpenBSD 4.1 order, I got the notice on April 19, and received it April 25 (~4 business days).

  11. By Anonymous Coward (2001:388:f000::8bb) on

    I placed my order for two CD sets and a T shirt about thirty-five minutes after pre-ordering opened but being in Australia, I can count on the postal services and customs to delay them.

    So go on, boast about how you have it running already. You lucky @#$%!

    But maybe you can help. If anybody has it running on a Soekris 4801 or a Thinkpad R50 or T60 and can send me an email with the dmesg it would let me compare with 4.1 installs to see if I can see any critical change.

    dmesg.w.wtw@xoxy.net will happily accept your mail.

    Thankyou,

    Leon.

    Comments

    1. By tanvir (tanvir) on

      > I placed my order for two CD sets and a T shirt about thirty-five minutes after pre-ordering opened but being in Australia, I can count on the postal services and customs to delay them.
      > So go on, boast about how you have it running already. You lucky @#$%!

      I pre-ordered from Canberra, Australia. Wondering when I will get my one!

      Comments

      1. By Wim Vandeputte (wvdputte) wim@kd85.com on https://kd85.com/notforsale.html

        > > I placed my order for two CD sets and a T shirt about thirty-five minutes after pre-ordering opened but being in Australia, I can count on the postal services and customs to delay them.
        > > So go on, boast about how you have it running already. You lucky @#$%!
        >
        > I pre-ordered from Canberra, Australia. Wondering when I will get my one!

        Actually you guys could be luckier then some of us: Reyk will be at the AUUG Annual Conference which will be held at Melbourne Museum in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, Saturday 13 to Sunday 14 October 2007.

        I know a box of CDs was shipped there wel ahead of time...

    2. By Alex Hafey (199.67.203.140) on

      > So go on, boast about how you have it running already. You lucky @#$%!

      I moved from Syndey to London just so I could get the OpenBSD CD quicker :-P

      > But maybe you can help. If anybody has it running on a Soekris 4801 or a Thinkpad R50 or T60 and can send me an email with the dmesg it would let me compare with 4.1 installs to see if I can see any critical change.

      I'll be upgrading my 4801 as soon as I get them so I'll mail it through to you.

      Cheers,
      Alex.

      Comments

      1. By Anonymous Coward (218.214.194.113) on

        > > So go on, boast about how you have it running already. You lucky @#$%!
        >
        > I moved from Syndey to London just so I could get the OpenBSD CD quicker :-P
        >
        > > But maybe you can help. If anybody has it running on a Soekris 4801 or a Thinkpad R50 or T60 and can send me an email with the dmesg it would let me compare with 4.1 installs to see if I can see any critical change.
        >
        > I'll be upgrading my 4801 as soon as I get them so I'll mail it through to you.
        >
        > Cheers,
        > Alex.

        Hi Alex and thanks but Murphy of the Law fame heard about what I was doing and so mine arrived today.

        That means he will let you have yours tomorrow..... ;-)

        But thanks again.

        Comments

        1. By Alex Hafey (82.69.184.245) on

          >
          > Hi Alex and thanks but Murphy of the Law fame heard about what I was doing and so mine arrived today.
          >
          > That means he will let you have yours tomorrow..... ;-)

          No, Murphy found out and delayed mine an extra day so I've only just got them :-(
          >
          > But thanks again.
          >

          No worries, I'm getting a T60 at work next week but you've probably well and truly beaten me to the upgrade on that as well.

          Now, back to my 4801 - can't... type... fast... enough...

          Cheers,
          Alex.

    3. By Leonardo Rodrigues (201.34.196.1) on

      I wonder when my sets will arrive here in Brazil... now that's far away :P

      Comments

      1. By Anonymous Coward (218.214.194.113) on

        > I wonder when my sets will arrive here in Brazil... now that's far away :P

        You think so?
        Sydney is not the antipodes for Calgary but it is lots further than Rio.

        YYC-GIG 10700 km
        YYC-SYD 13169 km
        Great circle distances.
        23% further and it would be worse if I lived in Perth.

        Of course if you live in Porte Alegre it would be a bit further, 10886 km ;-)

        And for the other members of the Pedants Union: Yes I know the CDs ship from Milk River but that doesn't appear on my IATA Airport code list so the calculator can't handle it.

        Anyway I hope you get a pleasant surprise and see yours very soon.

        Leon/

        Comments

        1. By Anonymous Coward (24.232.180.146) on

          I'm in Buenos Aires and recieved my 4.1 set last month :|

          Comments

          1. By juan hernandez gonzalez (201.53.63.42) on

            i feel your pain. living in brazil, out of 3 openbsd releases i ordered, two made it here after the next one was out, and one never arrived at all.

        2. By juan hernandez gonzalez (201.53.63.42) on

          oh, but there's the third world factor too. even if rio were 1km away from calgary, i bet it would take twice as long as shipping to the remotest outskirts of australia.

          and you probably don't get to pay 60% tax.

        3. By Richard Toohey (121.72.39.37) richard.toohey@hotmail.com on

          My CDs & T-shirt arrived this morning in New Zealand ...

  12. By Anonymous Coward (213.221.123.174) on

    50USD are like ~35.43EUR
    50EUR are like ~70,56USD

    Europeans seriously pay too much...
    And NO it can't get explained with the shipping from Canada to Europe because this gets paid in USD too (like oil too..so even shipping got cheaper).

    The problem with the price difference rises during the weak USD (and I like the weak USD a lot but the prices needs to acclimate to this situation!)

    Comments

    1. By Igor Sobrado (sobrado) on

      > 50USD are like ~35.43EUR
      > 50EUR are like ~70,56USD
      >
      > Europeans seriously pay too much...
      > And NO it can't get explained with the shipping from Canada to Europe because this gets paid in USD too (like oil too..so even shipping got cheaper).
      >
      > The problem with the price difference rises during the weak USD (and I like the weak USD a lot but the prices needs to acclimate to this situation!)

      This question is asked each time a new OpenBSD release is announced and, again, each time the operating system media starts arriving to customers. You are comparing EUR 35.43 to $70.56 USD and both are not the same currency. You know that two different units cannot be compared, right?

      On the other hand, there are very good reasons for this price (and it is *not* a high price). Just search this question on OpenBSD Journal to see that not only shipping from Canada is included in the European price, but also VAT.

      Comments

      1. By Anonymous Coward (213.221.123.174) on

        > > 50USD are like ~35.43EUR
        > > 50EUR are like ~70,56USD
        > >
        > > Europeans seriously pay too much...
        > > And NO it can't get explained with the shipping from Canada to Europe because this gets paid in USD too (like oil too..so even shipping got cheaper).
        > >
        > > The problem with the price difference rises during the weak USD (and I like the weak USD a lot but the prices needs to acclimate to this situation!)
        >
        > This question is asked each time a new OpenBSD release is announced and, again, each time the operating system media starts arriving to customers. You are comparing EUR 35.43 to $70.56 USD and both are not the same currency. You know that two different units cannot be compared, right?
        >
        > On the other hand, there are very good reasons for this price (and it is *not* a high price). Just search this question on OpenBSD Journal to see that not only shipping from Canada is included in the European price, but also VAT.

        Because it gets cheaper and eacher each year to just order in the US and get it shiped to EU via UPS and you still save money....

        Comments

        1. By wim (88.82.33.37) wim@kd85.com on https://kd85.com/notforsale.html


          > Because it gets cheaper and eacher each year to just order in the US and get it shiped to EU via UPS and you still save money....

          You don't order in the US. You order in Canada. The prices on the website are listed in $US because for many people this is a familiar currency to convert to (heck, does anybody know what the $CAD is worth without looking it up?)

          Unfortunatly all the transactions are then translated in $CAD and this is where the project is loosing a lot of money now. So if you think you are getting a good deal, you are actually costing the project money.

          I think the prices should be fixed in $CAD and the $US on the website should fluctuate with the exchange rate... the OpenBSD project is a Canadian based project, not a US based one and I don't see why we should be ashamed of that.

          Comments

          1. By CODOR (CODOR) on

            > heck, does anybody know what the $CAD is worth without looking it up?

            Yeah, $1.005 ± 0.005. Of course, the fact that the CAD is greater than the USD for the first time in 31 years is all over the news in the two northernmost countries on this continent, so that might explain why no one here has to look it up...

    2. By Igor Sobrado (sobrado) on

      > The problem with the price difference rises during the weak USD (and I like the weak USD a lot but the prices needs to acclimate to this situation!)

      By the way, why does the change in the United States currency will affect OpenBSD's price?

    3. By tobias (62.227.98.238) tobias@openbsd.org on

      > 50USD are like ~35.43EUR
      > 50EUR are like ~70,56USD

      You buy the CD set to support the project, don't you? Well, then be assured that 50 EUR today helps (a lot) more than 50 EUR some years ago.

      Seriously, where is the problem?

    4. By Allan. (136.159.16.107) on

      > The problem with the price difference rises during the weak USD

      Consider also that the project is based in Canada and that some hackathons occur in Canada as well so a significant portion of the expenses are spent in Canada in Canadian dollars.

      Back in 2002, $50 USD paid about $80 CAD expenses in Canada.

      Today $50 USD only covers about $49 CAD expenses.

      Either the USD price needs to go up or more CDs need to be sold to cover the same expenses.

    5. By pete gilman (66.31.226.160) on http://p3t3.net

      > 50USD are like ~35.43EUR
      > 50EUR are like ~70,56USD
      >
      > Europeans seriously pay too much...

      it's not so much that the euro has gone up as that the us dollar has gone down. europeans don't pay to much, we americans pay too little! thanks a lot, mr. bush... 8-P

      (hopefully the donation i added to the cd purchase will help make up for it...)

    6. By Wim Vandeputte (88.82.33.37) wim@kd85.com on https://kd85.com/notforsale.html

      > 50USD are like ~35.43EUR
      > 50EUR are like ~70,56USD
      >
      > Europeans seriously pay too much...

      Europeans pays as much as they always did. It's not because the $US fluctuates that the value to us changes. It has always been EUR 45 for the old CDset and EUR 50 for the DVD case one. This includes the 21% VAT as wel.

      > And NO it can't get explained with the shipping from Canada to Europe because this gets paid in USD too (like oil too..so even shipping got cheaper).

      What a load of bull. I pay my UPS invoices in EUR. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

      > The problem with the price difference rises during the weak USD (and I like the weak USD a lot but the prices needs to acclimate to this situation!)

      Wel, I'm fed up with this crap keep coming back so I propose we change the CD price to $CAD, which is the currency we buy the CDs from and the currency we spend the most money (like expenses and hackathons). The 20% swing in the $US in the last month has seriously affected the income of the project where Austin is considering switching the prices on the website to $CAD.

      Guys, it's very simple. Even if you are based in Germany, you are free to order your CDs from Canada in $US. But by doing so, you'll have higher shipping costs, it will take longer for delivery and the project gets less revenue.

      Comments

      1. By Anonymous Coward (213.221.123.174) on

        > > 50USD are like ~35.43EUR
        > > 50EUR are like ~70,56USD
        > >
        > > Europeans seriously pay too much...
        >
        > Europeans pays as much as they always did. It's not because the $US fluctuates that the value to us changes. It has always been EUR 45 for the old CDset and EUR 50 for the DVD case one. This includes the 21% VAT as wel.
        >
        > > And NO it can't get explained with the shipping from Canada to Europe because this gets paid in USD too (like oil too..so even shipping got cheaper).
        >
        > What a load of bull. I pay my UPS invoices in EUR. You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.
        >
        > > The problem with the price difference rises during the weak USD (and I like the weak USD a lot but the prices needs to acclimate to this situation!)
        >
        > Wel, I'm fed up with this crap keep coming back so I propose we change the CD price to $CAD, which is the currency we buy the CDs from and the currency we spend the most money (like expenses and hackathons). The 20% swing in the $US in the last month has seriously affected the income of the project where Austin is considering switching the prices on the website to $CAD.
        >
        > Guys, it's very simple. Even if you are based in Germany, you are free to order your CDs from Canada in $US. But by doing so, you'll have higher shipping costs, it will take longer for delivery and the project gets less revenue.

        Well good points, I appologize...

      2. By Allan (198.53.158.209) on

        > Wel, I'm fed up with this crap keep coming back so I propose we change the CD price to $CAD, which is the currency we buy the CDs from and the currency we spend the most money (like expenses and hackathons). The 20% swing in the $US in the last month has seriously affected the income of the project where Austin is considering switching the prices on the website to $CAD.

        It would make a lot of sense to have the price of CDs in the same currency as the major part of the expenses. At least that would provide some stability when budgeting things like the hackathons. With the CDs sold in USD, if you think of how many CDs need to be sold to pay for a hackathon, the hackathons just got even more expensive. Yesterday was the biggest one-day gain for the Canadian dollar as compared to the US dollar.

      3. By chris_g_g (81.178.98.153) on

        > > 50USD are like ~35.43EUR
        > > 50EUR are like ~70,56USD
        > >
        > > Europeans seriously pay too much...
        >
        > Europeans pays as much as they always did. It's not because the $US fluctuates that the value to us changes. It has always been EUR 45 for the old CDset and EUR 50 for the DVD case one. This includes the 21% VAT as wel.
        >
        > Wel, I'm fed up with this crap keep coming back so I propose we change the CD price to $CAD, which is the currency we buy the CDs from and the currency we spend the most money (like expenses and hackathons). The 20% swing in the $US in the last month has seriously affected the income of the project where Austin is considering switching the prices on the website to $CAD.
        >
        > Guys, it's very simple. Even if you are based in Germany, you are free to order your CDs from Canada in $US. But by doing so, you'll have higher shipping costs, it will take longer for delivery and the project gets less revenue.

        Well I'm happy to be able to buy in Euros. I don't have to go looking up exchange rates to work out what it is in Sterling, which according to my bank statement is thirty-something pounds.

        Or another way, the price is about the same as 10 pints of generic, uninteresting and fizzy lager (Carl{ing|sberg}) in the pub!
        Maybe this says more about the sorry price of alcohol where I live in the UK and my taste in beer than anything else but the people who make OBSD are a talented bunch... I don't see that a Friday night off the booze and a Saturday morning without a headache is too much to pay for the fruits of their labour!!!

        Heck, my liver probably wishes the CD's came out more often! ;)

  13. By Cabal (Cabal) Cabal on http://www.enginuity.org/

    Out of curiousity, who manufacturers the CDs, and what level of trust do we have in them? I don't see it anywhere on the order page or 4.2 page.

    Comments

    1. By Anonymous Coward (128.171.90.200) on

      > Out of curiousity, who manufacturers the CDs, and what level of trust do we have in them? I don't see it anywhere on the order page or 4.2 page.

      Jeez, you are so paranoid !

      The manufactured CDs must match the master disk.

      I'm not saying they are checked ( though I bet they are. )

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      1. By Kevin (163.192.21.43) on

        > > Out of curiousity, who manufacturers the CDs, and what level of trust do we have in them? I don't see it anywhere on the order page or 4.2 page.
        >
        > Jeez, you are so paranoid !
        > The manufactured CDs must match the master disk.
        > I'm not saying they are checked ( though I bet they are. )

        You can compare the checksums for the install kernels and install sets against the official FTP.

        It'd be nice if the RMD160 hashes for the official master disk and install sets were posted somewhere with a digital signature, but that's an old and dead argument.

        Comments

        1. By Igor Sobrado (sobrado) on

          > You can compare the checksums for the install kernels and install sets against the official FTP.
          >
          > It'd be nice if the RMD160 hashes for the official master disk and install sets were posted somewhere with a digital signature, but that's an old and dead argument.

          The official CD-ROM and ftp are different sources for the install kernels and sets. I think that anyone can reasonably trust on these sets if the checksums match. On the other hand, a change in one of the sets will be noticed very soon.

          Comments

          1. By Anonymous Coward (207.210.17.73) on

            Got my cd's today........best stickers of all time
            Got 2 baby t's for my girls as well. Was told I am the best heheheh
            OpenBSD Owns :)

            Comments

            1. By Anonymous Coward (85.178.64.60) on

              > Got my cd's today........best stickers of all time
              > Got 2 baby t's for my girls as well. Was told I am the best heheheh
              > OpenBSD Owns :)

              How much RAM does oBSD 4.2 supports?
              Didn't rly found a info about it. Just some mails claiming there's a 4GB Limit.

          2. By Brad (216.138.195.228) brad at comstyle dot com on

            > > You can compare the checksums for the install kernels and install sets against the official FTP.
            > >
            > > It'd be nice if the RMD160 hashes for the official master disk and install sets were posted somewhere with a digital signature, but that's an old and dead argument.
            >
            > The official CD-ROM and ftp are different sources for the install kernels and sets. I think that anyone can reasonably trust on these sets if the checksums match. On the other hand, a change in one of the sets will be noticed very soon.

            Igor, stop giving out bullshit information if you have no idea what you are talking about.

            Comments

            1. By Igor Sobrado (156.35.26.1) on

              > > The official CD-ROM and ftp are different sources for the install kernels and sets. I think that anyone can reasonably trust on these sets if the checksums match. On the other hand, a change in one of the sets will be noticed very soon.
              >
              > Igor, stop giving out bullshit information if you have no idea what you are talking about.

              The way you reply does not mean you are right, it only means you are incredibly ill-mannered.

              Cabal has some doubts about the trust we can have in the OS media; however Kevin is right because the kernel and installation sets in the CD-ROMs and ftp come from different places. Any change in the operating system media will be noticed as soon as the CD-ROMs arrive to the customers. Period.

              If someone is able to change the sets that are committed to the anonymous ftp server *and* to the manufacturer of the OS media, what will stop him from changing the sets before they are digitally signed?

              Both MD5 and checksums are strong functions from the point of view of the output space distribution; so they are relatively secure. It is difficult for two different sets to return the same digest. If someone has doubts about the integrity of a set, he can check the set using the digests on the anonymous ftp. There is no need to use additional algorithms even if these algorithms seem stronger. Is it so difficult understanding that when someone has doubts about a set/digest pair he must get the sets and digests from different sources? Is it so difficult understanding that it is nearly impossible to change a set in a way that it matches the original MD5 *and* checksum?

        2. By Anonymous Coward (128.171.90.200) on

          > It'd be nice if the RMD160 hashes for the official master disk and install sets were posted somewhere with a digital signature, but that's an old and dead argument.

          if you get an official CD from the project, only the project really needs to check what they sent matches what they get back from the manufacturer.

          If you do not trust the project to ship you an official disk you really are paranoid, in which case the best thing to do is download the source, audit it, and build it yourself ( and make a donation of course. )

  14. By Anonymous Coward (216.68.198.57) on

    Hope to get mine soon in USA.
    Possible interesting Puffy theme sometime, Movie, Fistful of Dollars, Clint Eastwood, 1964. Fistful of code?
    Bruce Willis did a similar retake, forgot title.
    Anyway, themes aside, waiting on 4.2 song, and artwork.

    Comments

    1. By Anonymous Coward (128.171.90.200) on

      > Possible interesting Puffy theme sometime, Movie, Fistful of Dollars, Clint Eastwood, 1964. Fistful of code?

      Remember the 3.6 release ?

  15. By Jacob (80.217.63.142) on

    I just got the 4.2 CDs, 4 t-shirts and stickers in the mail yesterday (sent from Canada to Sweden).
    I'm eager to upgrade, does anyone know, when the upgrade instructions will be complete? there are a bunch of x's in it now.
    http://openbsd.org/faq/upgrade42.html#final

    //Jacob

    Comments

    1. By Devin Smith (drs) on

      > I just got the 4.2 CDs, 4 t-shirts and stickers in the mail yesterday (sent from Canada to Sweden).
      > I'm eager to upgrade, does anyone know, when the upgrade instructions will be complete? there are a bunch of x's in it now.
      > http://openbsd.org/faq/upgrade42.html#final
      >
      > //Jacob
      >
      >

      It usually is up on the day of release, + or - a day.

      See the mailing list:

      http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=118978437017404&w=2

  16. By Anonymous Coward (216.68.198.57) on

    OHio, USA arrival today by Express Post, with T-shirt.

    Neat artwork and stickers! I love the big puffy and big OpenBSD and OpenSSH labels. Really interesting graphics!

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