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Performance | 20.9% (176 votes) | ||
Hardware support | 12.4% (105 votes) | ||
Ports and packages | 10.1% (85 votes) | ||
IO subsystem | 3.3% (28 votes) | ||
VM subsystem | 3.3% (28 votes) | ||
Multiprocessor support | 5.8% (49 votes) | ||
Installation/upgrade | 10.2% (86 votes) | ||
Patch management and binary patches | 21.2% (179 votes) | ||
Security features | 8.1% (68 votes) | ||
Scalable management systems | 4.7% (40 votes) | ||
Total votes: 844
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By Anonymous Coward (61.88.57.1) on
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By Anonymous Coward (201.8.80.20) on
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By Aaron Glenn (64.235.239.2) aaron.glenn@gmail.com on
By Brad (216.138.200.42) brad at comstyle dot com on
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By Anonymous Coward (212.113.164.98) on
Just don't touch them :P
By henning (80.86.183.227) henning@ on
it's just that the other OS' do it even worse.
that doesn't mean we can't do better than now...
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By Anonymous Coward (192.6.19.203) on
So far I reinstalled my production boxes from scratch every other release, kind of a spring cleaning to make sure I wasn't leaving too much 'dirt' like older binaries/libs/packages behind.
Some automated way to update packages would also be cool to have IMHO.
By Anonymous Coward (204.214.120.254) on
By Matt Van Mater (65.205.28.104) on
Allow us to create partitions based upon percentages. The bc executable is small enough that we might be able to squeeze it into the installer. I've introduced OpenBSD to a few friends and that was their only real complaint with the installer (fdisk can be scary because it doesn't display partitions in megabytes and percentages like most people are used to)
I think we need to make it a little more script friendly. For example, an option to "Save your config choices to a floppy/ftp/sftp location" after installing would make replicating the install on other boxes easier. If you wanted to take it a step further, you could have a little script that generates an answer file with these config choices. That wouldn't be TOO hard, just take the normal install script and save the choices that were made instead of executing them. Currently to automate the install scripts you have to recompile the darn thing, and that sucks.
If we could integrate these scripted installs into the newly implemented PXE boot then we would have a really kickass installer system. We're already 95% of the way there with the ftp installs so why not take that last step :)
I've started working on solutions for these a little here and there, but never got it to a point where I thought it would be usable/useful.
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By Michael Knudsen (217.157.199.114) on
> executable is small enough that we might be able to squeeze it
> into the installer. I've introduced OpenBSD to a few friends
> and that was their only real complaint with the installer
> (fdisk can be scary because it doesn't display partitions in
> megabytes and percentages like most people are used to)
luggage$ ls -l `which bc dc`
-r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 34356 Sep 23 19:33 /usr/bin/bc
-r-xr-xr-x 1 root bin 26164 Sep 23 19:33 /usr/bin/dc
Actually, bc(1) is just a preprocessor which invokes dc(1) so
the latter is what should be used, if anything.
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By Matt Van Mater (65.205.28.104) on
By Otto Moerbeek (213.84.84.111) otto@drijf.net on http://www.drijf.net
dc(1) doesn't look that large because it uses shared libs.
By Anonymous Coward (67.71.79.251) on
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By Matt Van Mater (65.205.28.104) on
In any case, I think showing percentages is really the more important of the two partitioning sugestions i made.
By Otto Moerbeek (213.84.84.111) otto@drijf.net on
You can create partitions using a percentage of the total disk size. When asked for a size, type 25% or something like that. You can also use M and G for megabytes and gigabytes. There's even more, check the man page.
You can view partitions in megabytes, gigabytes (and more): use 'p M' or p 'G' in the interactive editor.
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By Matt Van Mater (65.205.28.104) on
Everything else in the installer is very simple and straight forward, and doesn't require me to read man pages somewhere else to complete the install. Remember I am passing these comments on from a newbie who is a smart guy and otherwise had no problems with the install, but found this irritating.
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By Matt Van Mater (65.205.28.104) on
I just looked on cvsweb and confirmed that percentages have in fact been supported now for roughly 9 months (shows up in 3.5 base but not 3.4 base). So I was right to a certain extent, openbsd didn't used to support percentages. I've been doing it the hard way for a few months it seems. I can't keep up with all the changes that go on, but thats a good thing :)
By Frank Denis (213.41.131.17) on http://www.00f.net
But upgrading ports is a pain. Deinstalling the port plus all dependencies and reinstalling everything is long and not that easy. I'd love to do something like "emerge --deep -u world" and everything is up-to-date, dependencies are properly updated as well, distinction between major and minor versions is made, and a helper is executed to keep configuration files up-to-date.
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By I.S. (212.184.216.33) on
into the [upgrade]-installer at OpenBSD-Install-CD ?
--ingolf
By Otto Moerbeek (213.84.84.111) otto@drijf.net on http://www.drijf.net
By Nick (81.139.3.197) on
Give me an OpenBSD-style install over RedHat/XP eye candy any day of the week.
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By Anonymous Coward (62.78.250.2) on
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By sean (139.142.208.98) on
What do I mean by the term collision? Well I mean changes to the base release versions of files in /var or /etc that have been customized for the local environment. If you didn't change it then you can replace it but if you did then you should know why you did and how to do the updates.
As for anything that exists outside of /var and /etc well you can update as you want to (with breaking ports as the exception) without fear.
By chort (216.148.213.196) on http://www.smtps.net/email-sec/
I have not found any other OS that I could install or upgrade (with snapshot) as quickly and cleanly as OpenBSD.
By j0rd (204.244.192.17) on
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By uni research student (68.102.150.34) on
I don't know, but I trust them to be more innovative than anything I can imagine.
By mike (70.112.89.112) on
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By uni research student (68.102.150.34) on
I dream of a patching system that alerts the admin right after the patch has been released. The only vunerability is the time it took to correct the issue. If this is done by /usr/bin/mail it adds the human element of insecurity. Since we have CARP, couldn't it be designed to run on the stand-bye machine first?
By av (80.254.5.34) on
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By Otto Moerbeek (213.84.84.111) otto@drijf.net on http://www.drijf.net
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By Alex (204.117.14.101) bsd@ringdangdu.com on
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By Dustin Lundquist (216.190.52.69) on
When was the last time you had to remove and reinstall all the packages for an entire subsystem (i.e. apache and all it's dependencies and modules, or all your development tools) on OpenBSD?
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By Anthony (68.145.111.152) on
I've read what's been said on misc@, and I understand all the reasons, and I understand that it's not my call (otherwise I'd be on misc@ asking for it), however this poll is asking us what we think. Just because I accept the decision doesn't mean I agree with it. :)
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By Brad (216.138.200.42) brad at comstyle dot com on
By Gabriel (200.221.124.40) on
but that's just me. ihmo even irix was better then *bsd of today.
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By Michael Knudsen (217.157.199.114) on
I realised afterwards that I had forgotten several options, e.g.:
However, the poll showed more or less that people value work on less technical areas such as installation and patch management. I'm quite convinced that this is because people can sort of understand or relate to these areas, and this is also why `performance' scores so well; everybody wants things to run faster. However, only a few people understand if our VM subsystem needs work so they really don't have an opinion about it.
What's more important now is that I'm looking for a replacement poll but I don't really have any good ideas so far. Yes, this was a hint to the rest of you to contribute suggestions. It's not very hard; just add a story with a proper subject and try to fill in a few options and we'll take it from there.
By Anonymous Coward (69.197.92.181) on
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