OpenBSD Journal

pre-orders for 3.5

Contributed by jose on from the next-release dept.

Robby writes: "on misc@:

Theo de Raadt []:

We have just activated pre-orders for the OpenBSD 3.5 release, which will be released and start shipping May 1, 2004.

There is a new 3-CD set, a new t-shirt, and a new poster which can be ordered from

There is also a new (skit and) song which you can get to at

The skit & song is a parody/allegory of the VRRP mess that Cisco and IETF have landed the community in, and how we circumvented this problem by inventing the CARP protocol. A commentary on this issue can also be found there.

A summary of what is coming in 3.5 is at

(Please bear with us, since this document is actively being worked on by the developers :)

A much more detailed summary is at:

Please keep in mind that this project is completely funded by CD sales and donations from our user community. We hope that your generosity continues, because in a few months we will once again be holding one of our famously inventive and productive week-long hackathons ... and perhaps SMP and some other nice surprises in the release following...

Thank you."

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  1. By Alan Post () on

    Sometimes (well, about every other time :) I miss ordering a cd. This happened to me for 3.4. This time I'll be buying a 3.4 and a 3.5 cd, which is my usual pattern (3.2+3.3, 3.0+3.1, etc).

    Anyone else do this?

    1. By Anonymous Coward () on

      Same here. Life always gets in the way. I want the stickers from 3.4 though, so I'll be ordering atleast one of each :D

  2. By Anonymous Coward () on

    Wow, what a list of improvements and additions.

    What is the status of bringing on 802.11{a,g}? I know it is going to take someone reverse-engineering the hardware, any progress from any of the open source community?

    I have a Proxim a/b/g card, as well as an Orinoco B card. I have not tried it on the latest snapshot, but I assume there is no a/g support yet.

    1. By grey () on

      The last I heard, fgsch@ was working on this with reyk ( a bit to RE the HAL layer. Judging from the CVS tree of that project, as well as lack of comment from elsewhere, it doesn't appear to have made much progress?

      I really don't know what to tell you beyond that. Having a binary only HAL layer to deal with makes the atheros 'open source' support contradictory. It's not in OpenBSD's style to settle for such an implementation, particularly as there is focus on multiple architectures. Since FreeBSD focuses on i386, and last I checked [not recently] this driver only worked on x86, such concerns aren't as big of a deal.

      My guess is a lot of other driving power behind this fell away in the OSS camps, since things like LinuxAnt provide support for various closed-source drivers released for windows, via NDIS emulation. I can think of few things more evil from an ideological stance when it comes to Open Source.

      Still, you can't argue with results. Moreover, most people don't care about implementation details, as long as they have something which works. Right or wrong, this ultimately detracts from support (be it developer time, donations, pressure on vendors).

      Probably the best news I've heard recently in wifi driver land for OSS folks, is Intel backing a project for an open source linux driver for their centrino 802.11b chipset. Perhaps this will ultimately yield a usable driver in the way that their yielded the em driver for gigE.

      That said, vendors really should be providing OSS developers with documentation. Wither, Intel, Sun, Atheros or Broadcom - they're really the ones making things difficult. OpenBSD's attitude towards less than ideal workarounds has become more hard edged in the past couple of years, but it remains to be seen what ground will be made up for in this particular facet.

      1. By tedu () on

        the atheros hal is available for several platforms now, but doesn't solve the problem of "it doesn't work. this patch fixes it" which is the real problem.

      2. By Alejandro Belluscio () on

        He was supposedly working on the AMDTek ADM8211 atw driver too. But last time I asked it wasn't stable yet.

    2. By grey () on

      Also noticed you asked about the orinoco B; is that not working for you? These cards use a Lucent/hermes chipset last I checked which has worked for me in the past. Just curious.

      1. By Anonymous Coward () on

        I don't know if he meant Orinoco 802.11a or 802.11b, but I think he meant bridging in general, with these cards - as opposed to the Prism based chipsets that do release the hardware specs, from my understanding.

        I'd personally love to be able to bridge with my Orinoco's like can be done with Prism based chipsets, but AFAIK this still isn't possible.

        Orinoco support and non-bridging (NAT, Routing, etc.) works flawlessly though. Even AP mode...

      2. By Anonymous Coward () on

        No my Orinoco B works fine. Jsut wondering about the general state of wireless, thanks.

  3. By Noryungi () on

    'nuff said. I'll order my CDs when 3.5 comes out.

    1. By Anonymous Coward () on

      Yes, great CD cover art and also the graphics art on the lyrics page is great.

      Who does the graphics?

      1. By Miod Vallat () on

        The graphics are made by Ty Semaka.

        Visit for a portfolio of his skills.

  4. By Kim () on

    The new song is hilarious. I love the original by Monty Python. They could not have done a better parody.

    1. By Flynn () on

      I'm falling off my chair at the moment listening to this... my God is that ever hilarious....

    2. By Dan () on

      I second to that.
      A great song indeed!

      But do we have a license for the song?

  5. By Anonymous Coward () on

    Just tried ordering from: It allows me to select my products and proceed to checkout. Then when I go to the place where I fill in my address and click "Submit your Info and Proceed", it takes me back to the product selection page with no items selected.

    Anyone else having the same problem?

    1. By Alistair Sutton () on

      I had the same problem with the European ordering page using IE 6. I found that if I refreshed the page, IE would re-POST the information and the page would be updated properly.

      It didn't do it all the time but it was worrying the first time it happened.

    2. By Anonymous Coward () on

      I had this problem as well, using IE6. Tried Firefox and it worked just fine.

      1. By Bob Beck () on

        Microsoft's latest patches for IE make it fuck up
        and send content-length 0 on https pages with
        keepalive set. Stupid stupid stupid.

        For a full description of the problem, see

        Workaround? I've turned off keepalive for IE6
        to dodge microsoft's mess.

        Here's a nickel kid - get yourself a real operating system.


  6. By zam4ever () on

    Under "New functionality:"

    * The i386 8GB boot loader limitation has been removed.

    This is one of the coolest feature that users are waiting for.


    1. By Anonymous Coward () on

      Hate to break it to you, but that's a bug fix, not a new feature.

      But it's still an important bug fix.

      1. By Anonymous Coward () on

        This is *not* a bug fix. It simply is functionality that didn't exist before. So it is a new feature.

      2. By Anonymous Coward () on

        It's a feature, and a pretty low importance one, at that.

        Most people deploying OBSD for real don't care where the OS wants to go on the single disk they install it to.

  7. By Anonymous Coward () on

    WOOOO Love the Monty Python feel of it all! :)

  8. By clvrmnky () on

    Done, and done. Pre-ordered a nice CD set and t-shirt.

    I've run a grungy 3.1 server for long enough. It's time for a hardware upgrade, anyway.

    Now to go shopping for one of those mini-ITX systems...

    1. By sicko () on

      take care.

      i had the same idea about one year ago.
      i bought a Chyang Fun CF-7989C3S with a VIA EPIA 5000 in May 2003. 200eur together.

      after about 250 days of uptime (running openbsd 3.4), the powersupply blew up, also killing the board.

      make sure you get some quality stuff.

      luckily hdd and ram survived and no data lost cause it was only my internet gateway/router.

      (unluckily i cant find the invoice anymore which i need for warranty ...)

      1. By Anonymous Coward () on


        Sounds like a bathtub curve problem to me. Stuff breaks.

  9. By Anonymous Coward () on

    This has to be the best of them all! Hilarious, yet nice and blunt; pro -free(dom) and -opensource!

    Theo and the Crew are on a mission and I love it. I love the way OpenBSD does things, makes me just admire OpenBSD all the more!

    Here's drinking to OpenBSD... ;-)

    Cheers all.

    OpenBSD pf, pfsync and carp - The FREE and Open Source alternative to Cisco's PIX, HSRP and VRRP!

    1. By Anonymous Coward () on

      I find the apparent hostile take over of the IETF by corporate interests rather disturbing. Not to be alarmist, but it seems likely to me that we will never again see an 'open standard' that can be implemented for free (i.e. 'open standard' is now market speak for ... well ... nothing). The denial of an 'offical' port number shows how truely free protocols are likely to be handled in the future.

      I hope CARP can achieve wide adoption by other OSes without the IETF.

      1. By Dan () on

        Without ifstated, carp + pfsync is not enough.
        What happens if only one interfaceof a fw failes?

  10. By Anonymous Coward () on

    Thanks to everyone involved. I can not imagine what I would run as my workstation or dedicated firewall if it wasn't for OpenBSD.

  11. By yg () on

    Can somebody elaborate on what this means in the pf improvements

    Significant improvements to interface handling.

    1. By djm () on

      Among other things, you can bind states to interfaces.

    2. By Anonymous Coward () on

      Check the section in the pf.conf(5) starting with "Interface names can have modifiers appended".

      Among other things, the aliases of an interface are now taken into account.

  12. By j0rd () on

    There is a store near where i live that stocks the OpenBSD releases ( ). They offer them for $40-45 cnd which is significantly cheaper then you can order them online for.

    I'm just curious what the community thinks about stuff like this. I won't use the CD's at all since i prefer installing from the floppy/ftp's, the only reason i would be buying them would be to support the project. So...

    Should i buy them from the store? or
    Should i buy them direct from OBSD?

    I think it's best if i buy them from the store personally. Since (i assume) the reason they can offer them cheaper is because they buy 20+ of them at the 40% discount. I'd also like to support retailers that support openbsd. That's my two cents.

    1. By Anonymous Coward () on

      Don't buy any CDs at all, if you don't need them.

      Those years I do not upgrade via CD, or at all, I usually spring for a t-shirt. I always need new t-shirts, but I don't always need another CD set.

      1. By j0rd () on

        i want the stickers and stuff. The t-shirts are far to geeky to be worn in public. I'd like to collect the cd sets (even if i don't use them).

        /me would buy the 2.8 series t-shirts if they didn't have the uber-geeky "stay off my computer" tag line on them.

        Ya i might be a geek, but i don't want to look like a fool ;P

        1. By Anonymous Coward () on


          Everyone I see knows I'm a coder. The t-shirt I'm wearing right now has a line of perl on it. Clueless strangers can wonder all they want. I mean, does anyone actually give a shit, really, about t-shirt logos? I live in a high-tech university town, so people may as well get used to it.

          It's really no different than wearing a t-shirt with a band logo. A badge of courage for a "High-Fidelity" geek is not much different than one for a computer geek.

          Anyway, anything is better than mindlessly shilling for Nike or some other marginal, so-called "sports-wear" company. If I'm going to wear garments made by near-slave labour, I'm cetainly not going to get them from some gigantic corp that has no real product other than it's brand-name.

          T-shirts I'll use. The CD-Roms are outdated almost immediately, in my experience. Once I install OBSD, I almost never go back to the CDs again. I will use the CVS sources for a union mount on /usr/src this time around, but I usually burn my own source CD anyway.

    2. By GPS () on

      Why not donate money to the OpenBSD project? That would probably help more than buying a CD. I've been using a 3.5 snapshot for about a month, and it's great. I'm using Mozilla Firefox 0.8 (very stable), XFCE 4 (also very stable), XMMS, Pine, MPlayer, and a few other commonly needed apps from ports and elsewhere. I'll most likely be donating soon, because I appreciate the work put into OpenBSD.

  13. By Anonymous Coward () on

    And a few cool tshirts to go with it. The features that I need most: 1. Encrypted disk partitions. Kludged loopback crypto doesn't count. 2. Secure login and SSH with Cryptocard ( When??? Having all these great security features in the system doesn't help if there are basic weaknesses in that the data can be stolen if the machine is physically stolen, and it is widely known that passwords are the weakest point in most systems. Let's solve those two problems.

    1. By djm () on

      When? When you send patches that are up to scratch

  14. By Nate () on

    Does anyone know if the mac68k images will be available in iso format on the ftp site? I remember a few releases ago the ftp only releases were available as an iso. I havn't been able to find any reference to this again, hopefully it'll happen again. If anyone knows anything please do tell.



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