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MicroBSD violates OpenBSD copyright

Contributed by jose on from the yes,-i'm-pretty-upset-about-this dept.

an anonymous reader writes: 



List:     openbsd-misc
Subject:  MicroBSD
From:     Theo de Raadt


Date:     2003-02-19 19:17:15

This is what is really going on in MicroBSD:

http://cvs.microbsd.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/share/man/man4/man4.i386/mtrr.4.diff?r1=1.1&r2=1.2


Use of tainted arguments in exec is deprecated at /var/www/cgi-bin/cvsweb line 2043.
===================================================================
RCS file: /open/anoncvs/cvs/src/share/man/man4/man4.i386/mtrr.4,v
retrieving revision 1.1
retrieving revision 1.2
diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2
--- src/share/man/man4/man4.i386/mtrr.4 2002/11/11 01:37:31     1.1
+++ src/share/man/man4/man4.i386/mtrr.4 2002/12/21 14:49:08     1.2
@@ -1,11 +1,11 @@
 ."    $OpenBSD: mtrr.4,v 1.11 2002/10/01 07:14:14 miod Exp $
 ."
-." Pentium MTRR driver for OpenBSD.
+." Pentium MTRR driver for MicroBSD.
 ." Copyright 1999 Matthieu Herrb


 ."
 ." Modification and redistribution in source and binary forms is
 ." permitted provided that due credit is given to the author and the
-." OpenBSD project (for instance by leaving this copyright notice
+." MicroBSD project (for instance by leaving this copyright notice
 ." intact).
 ."
 .Dd November 15, 1999

I'm now going to step aside and let our user community decide how do
deal with such copyright violations.

Link:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-misc&m=104568226621371&w=2
OK. I debated posting about this one for a bit, and I decided to post about it but with some extended commentary.

As many long time OpenBSD journal readers will recall when we posted a story about MicroBSD not once but twice some interesting comments on their Open/Net/FreeBSD derived codebase came about. This was only made a lot worse with a recent story .

The above statement from Theo was one of several last night from him and a few other core OpenBSD project people on the subject. This is not the first time that the project has had to face copyright and licensing issues. Recall that Dan Bernstein's software was removed from the ports tree to avoid licensing issues. From time to time, a license audit takes place in OpenBSD which helps to ensure that the project can stay within its goals , one of which is to provide source code that anyone can use for ANY PURPOSE, with no restrictions (to quote that page). To that end, Theo and other core project people have been at the front of the battle regarding license terms and what they mean. The scale of such undertakings can be understood when you look at the results of a recent license audit .

Licenses go to many things, and one of the most major ones is credit. The BSD license, as Theo so clearly states it, is all about credit; there's little else holding you back from using it. I jokingly looked over MicroBSD during the whole "We had this stuff 2 years ago" debacle a week or two ago and couldn't believe what I was seeing. The hard work of friends and coworkers was being stolen. The MicroBSD team's sloppiness (to quote Miod) in this regard really irks me on a professional and personal level.

OK, I've ranted enough, and hopefully I've justified posting this. Yes, on the one hand this is flames towards the MicroBSD team for their disregard for others' work (a tiny bit of which is mine, by the way). But on the other hand I really want it to be made clear that the OpenBSD team takes a variety of things to some pretty serious levels, including your ability to use the software in almost any setting provided you maintain credit , which seems quite reasonable.

Now, go thank the core team for their hard work (maybe with a donation or even just some testing and bugfixes). Free software is a lot of hard work, but the fruits of it are that freedom.

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Comments

  1. By Anonymous Coward () on

    Yeah that's pretty slimy... I wonder if they changed the X tree from "Copyright (C) 1994-2002 The XFree86 Project" to "Copyright (C) 1994-2002 The MicroBSD Project". :^)

    I'm curious though, does this have anything to do with the MicroBSD website being completely trashed? It was down for a few days, now the front page is up, but all the links are broken. Some revenge? :^)

    BTW... the bottom of the page says "Copyright © 2002-2003 MicroBSD".... have they only been around for 1 year?

    Comments

    1. By deekayen () on http://openbsddiary.org/

      I've been following the discussion. AFAIK, they trashed their own site cause misc@ has trash talking Microbsd quite hard. I think the MBSD people were embarassed into doing it.

      Comments

      1. By schubert () on

        well.. trash talking in general ain't good but you can't hold it against developers and code contributors to getting really pissed off on their own mailing list about theft like this... and its not like this is an unsubstantiated claim. there was very very clear and blatent proof all over the place. Matter-o-fact I found I have a copy of microbsd from cvs I checked out on feb. 3. I think I'll go count.

  2. By Anonymous Coward () on

    Oh good more press coverage, even if negative. I wonder how far they needed to dig into the cvs tree to find a few mistakes. seems they removed the site, and the cvs tree for the time being. is anyone 100% sure that it wasnt a mistake. Sounds like Theo Gates and the Censorship crew are at it. This smells of a conspiracy against the MicroBSD group.

    Comments

    1. By couderc () on

      An anonymous who speak about conspiracy makes me laugh ...

    2. By Martin Schröder () martin@oneiros.de on http://www.oneiros.de

      They replaced the string "OpenBSD" by "MicroBSD". In the copyright lines.

      If that was a mistake , they must have let their keyboard unattended for too long.

  3. By Anonymous Coward () on

    MicroBSD had three years ago?

    Kleptomania?

  4. By Anonymous Coward () on

    well, the BSD license was set that way and being given credit is just a courtesy. Stop complaining unless u guys want a GPL license.

    Comments

    1. By Anonymous Coward () on

      > the BSD license was set that way and being given credit is just a courtesy.

      Bah... what a rare idiot...

      Comments

      1. By Anonymous Coward () on

        Rare??? Dude, www.slashdot.org tons there.

    2. By Anonymous Coward () on

      http://www.opensource.org/licenses/bsd-license.php

      especially notice point #1 and point #2:
      - Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.
      - Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.

      Comments

      1. By Anonymous Coward () on

        That is REDISTRIBUTIONS, though if you change the code in anyways you can put your own name on it. That is what keeps BSD different from GPL

        Comments

        1. By Jeffrey () on

          Sure, you _can_ put your own name on it.

          "Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without
          modification, are permitted provided that"

          ...
          you don't remove the original copyright notice.
          This is explicitly stated in the license.

    3. By couderc () on

      No, BSD is not Public Domain.

      Comments

      1. By Anonymous Coward () on

        I always though it was, ohh well maybe not. Isn't open source public domain in its meaning. I use BSD's because I know things are really open and free, didn't know they was finger pointing politics included.

        Comments

        1. By couderc () on

          You could do better.

  5. By schubert () on

    Seems from reading the entire thread on misc@ you have developers and contributors of code (including you jose) are really REALLY miffed about this. Which you should be. It's your hard work being passed off. Then you have the hordes of users and observers and anonymous cowards on here who say "they didn't do something TOO bad did they? come on..." and "bah its just openbsd trying to shutout competitors" and various other statements to that effect. I'll let the reader reach their own conclusion about who's in the moral and legal right here and I'll just hope they come to the correct one.

    Insofar as posting this... on one hand I'd like to see these guys exposed for what they are and what they've (not?) done (on one hand they've committed this heinous act of copyright violation and on the other they haven't done any "real" work in the development sense). But on the other hand I don't want more people to just blindly go and use "their" software.

    I guess what i can hope for here is that the entire project shrivels up and dies quietly in a corner like it deserves too but not first without a loud verbal bashing and public humilation directed at them. I guess we can all see where my opinion lies on this matter but its because I _value_ the freedom the BSD license offers me. And its ONE requirement. The most BASIC requirement: you maintain the original copyright of the original author(s). That's it. Just one simple thing... and they failed to do that. not only failed.. but sloppily just replaces all words of "OpenBSD" with "MicroBSD" and if you want more proof of how sloppy even this was done, read the thread of misc@ because miod@ and others gave numerous examples of how many they missed... even really really important ones like changing the sendbug(1).

    I would imagine developers from NetBSD and FreeBSD would be just as miffed about this since MicroBSD claims to use code from their projects too.... although as it appears they really don't or don't to any signifigant value.

    I was hoping I could stay unbiased when I heard about this... to evaluate it from an observer's perspective. I don't think I can... this is just a grotesque insult of developers, contributors and longtime users of OpenBSD.

  6. By Anonymous Coward () on

    Only one backup of the CVS tree, in more than 7 years!

    Comments

    1. By Anonymous Coward () on

      ROFL... Good one!

  7. By Anonymous Coward () on

    not such a good idea to post this here, causes more flames and nothing else...

    People who read misc@ are already aware of what happened, people who only read deadly and slashdot are mostly clueless and just don't get it. Look at the four posts above this one: three of them are written by some ignorant idiots, who have no idea what they are talking about...

    Comments

    1. By Anonymous Coward () on

      man, people are sure quick to post here. I was referring to the first four posts...

      Comments

      1. By Anonymous Coward () on

        deadly.org 0wnz.

        Sorry, just had to say that..

    2. By Anonymous Coward () on

      What was that regarding my comment? I just happen to be a 1337 haxx0r, ph334r |/|y 1337 sk11Z.

    3. By Michael Anuzis () on

      I read deadly.org but don't subscribe to misc@, I guess that makes me automatically ignorant. Irony?

      Comments

      1. By Anonymous Coward () on

        No, not automatically. Probabilistically. It's just that the average intelligence level goes down as you move from tech@ to misc@ to deadly and to the bottom of it all - slashdot.

        Comments

        1. By Michael Anuzis () on

          Alright, that I can agree with.

          Comments

          1. By Anonymous Coward () on

            Yes, and arrogance goes up.

  8. By deekayen () on http://openbsddiary.org/

    What spurred the idea to make a hardened OpenBSD? It's not like OpenBSD is known for having lots of vulnerabilties. Seems to me creating an OpenBSD "fork" would really only make sense if it spurred from a vulnerability announcement that got lots of systems compromised.

    Comments

    1. By schubert () on

      my original understanding was a stripped down version for ... whatever reason but then emBSD project pretty much has that idea down (and have been supplying stripped version of openbsd for quite some time without crap like this so it can't be that bloody hard) then they started or claimed to incorporate stuff from netbsd and freebsd although who knows what they actually did incorporate... but I'm pretty sure they did start taking stuff from 3rd party unofficial patches like network ACL's, stephanie... possibly trustedbsd and who knows what else.

      Of course that then seems less like a "micro" bsd and more like a "experimental bsd definitely not for production servers bsd"

      Maybe it started with the idea of micro and steer way off into leftfield somewhere down the line.

      Comments

      1. By RooTchO () on

        stephanie author is one of our developers go read man

        Comments

        1. By Anonymous Coward () on

          > stephanie author is one of our developers

          Well, that explains it...

    2. By Not Really () on

      Why they didn't just work on helping the OpenBSD project.

      Comments

      1. By RooTchO () on

        ASK this question Theo !

      2. By couderc () on

        Openbsd devs have already sed skills :)

        Comments

        1. By Not Really Anonymous () on

          I can agree with you there.

      3. By Anonymous Coward () on

        Because they were not qualified enough. Although the GNU people believe in that 'bazaar' bullshit, OpenBSD is not like this. They don't just take any help and patch they can get a hold of - that's why the quality of OpenBSD is so high.

        Comments

        1. By Not Really Anonymous () on

          A project can be assisted in multiple ways and a majority of those ways, do not have to deal with direct development or patching of OpenBSD.

          For instance, working with the ports tree and expanding the amount of ports for OpenBSD. Thus enhancing the functionality of the operating system.

  9. By Anonymous Coward () on

    I question whats said, due to the fact that nobody seems to care what the truth is. There are two sides to every story, everyone here is so blind to see that fact. They just jump on the bandwagon like sheep. I myself actually stopped into their irc server, and learned quite alot about their side of the story. Before you all cut someones throat in such a public manner, do some due dilligence and at least get both sides of the story. I am so tired of reading about microbsd and how bad they all are. OpenBSD was originally NetBSD, now Theo appears to be upset that someone did to him what he did to someone else. I learned in nursery school, that there are two sides to each story. Why is it this site is so biased. Is there something to hide? Like the truth. and if you ask me. They have contributed something. At leadst these guys have enough balls to stand up for what they believe in. Do any of you?

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    1. By Anonymous Coward () on

      well, Theo does, and his vigilance on copyrights are great. What MicroBSD did was to change copyright statements which is forbidden. It's the same as using someone elses paper and putting your name at the top. Theft, pure and simple. If you own up to it, fine, but MicroBSD have claimed they didn't do what it looks like they did, a massive search and replace of OpenBSD to MicroBSD. If you're going to do something like that you damn well better make sure you don't change the copyrights and follow the author's license.

    2. By Anonymous Coward () on

      If you did all this research to get the other side of the story, how about sharing the results with us. Let us all have a balanced view of things.

    3. By Nathan Milford () on

      > now Theo appears to be upset that someone did to him what he did to someone else.

      That is an absurd statement. These two events have little if nothing in common. Theo seems to have the left the NetBSD copyright and credit statements intact on all of the NetBSD code... There is no (unhealthy) competition here between projects. The various BSD projects swap code as readily as teenagers swap saliva. The thing is, they give credit to who they got the code from. It's like writing a paper, you must annotate your sources, otherwise it is plagerism.

      > They have contributed something. At leadst these guys have enough balls to stand up for what they believe in.

      They seem to believe in ripping off people's work with out giving proper credit. It is as simple as that. Is that something positive? Do you have the balls to do that?

      Comments

      1. By Anonymous Coward () on

        I refuse to believe that this was intentional, or maliciously on their part. Sloppy yes, but intentional I highly doubt. I also doubt the fact they modified every license. I also doubt it was a search & replace. Credit was given on their web site, at least their old site. They screwed up, punishment has been well served. And they readily acknowledged the issue. At least I can read.

        http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/2003-02/1599.html

        This is an issue that we are addressing, and have been for some time. We are taking all neccessary steps to rectify these issues. The original copyright will remain intact as they did originate from the OpenBSD tree

        On Wednesday 19 February 2003 14:17, Theo de Raadt wrote:
        > This is what is really going on in MicroBSD:

        Comments

        1. By schubert () on

          the thing is.... "problem we have been addressing for sometime" it was a bloody search and replace of the name! how long does it take to simply REVERSE the search and change? shouldn't be some kind of "ongoing problem" shouldn't have even been a problem in the first place. But their answer should have been "we are really sorry. the developer(s) who committed files with those copyright violations have been LARTed and we'll be committing files with the proper copyright information within the next 24/48/72 hours. We're really bloody sorry. bye"

          instead their response was "yeah we've known about this for some time. we're working on it."

  10. By Anonymous Coward () on

    First a search and replace as everyone claims would easily have output all text as MicroBSD, though miod has already publically pointed out, it still says openbsd. So i dont believe thats what they did at all. Maybe they were abit messy, Yet they did acknowledge there was an issue. They removed the code in question. and took down the site, They didnt however run away with tails between their legs like you all think. There are over 20,000 references to OpenBSD in the source tree. Im sure if the cvs was still online, or we could get an honest answer, from some opeople on the misc list, the truth would be known. like one users email misc and said he was surfing their cvs, through bin, and EVERYTHING looked fine. SO I question just how deeply someone had to dig into their cvs tree to find maybe a few errors. I dont know why i waste my time here. Ive seen enough things said that directly contridict the fact that they did a complete search & replace. You all need to wake up, even on the misc list threads, people have stated, 1) what parts of the cvs they reviewed had no modified licenses, and second that there was still references to OPENBSD in the release. How do you go for search and replace, to the other extreme? There is way to much here that already contradicts alot of what people say. Im sure they took the web site down to validate what could have been an issue. Sounds like a smart move. Why is it everyone bashes them before they have all the facts. go seek answers for yourselves. Stop being sheep.

    Comments

    1. By Anonymous Coward () on

      there was no "OpenBSD" left, in precisely that case.

      you do the math....

  11. By Anonymous Coward () on

    http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/2003-02/1608.html

    At least this person was wise enought to check for himself. Has anyone else mailed them to ask what occured?? I honestly doubt it.

    Curious. Someone took the web site down, just as I was wondering about, looking at files. Wonder why that might be. I had time to look at just a few files. None of them appeared to be altered, but I only looked at a few things in bin before I lost access.

    Hmmmm. Time to mail them something...

  12. By Anonymous Coward () on

    I actually went back into their IRC server, and asked if there was any proof. This is what i got.

    hrmm check this out
    From the MicroBSD cvs tree.
    grep -r MicroBSD * | grep Copyright | wc -l
    18
    MicroBSD 0.6-current (GENERIC) #1: Sat Feb 8 05:07:26 EST 2003
    Welcome to MicroBSD
    cvs# cd /usr/src/
    cvs# grep -r OpenBSD * | wc -l
    17269
    cvs# grep -r MicroBSD * | wc -l
    17581
    cvs#
    From a OpenBSD current system
    vaio# uname -a
    OpenBSD vaio.microbsd.net 3.3 GENERIC#2 i386
    vaio# grep -r OpenBSD * | wc -l
    20332
    oh yeah i searched and replace everything right, thats why there are still 17581 references to OpenBSD in the CVS tree
    this is proof it wasnt a search and replace of the tree
    18 files showed the word Copyright and MicroBSD on the same line... so i guess the total is 18
    fscking perl regexs suck
    it will all get fixed up proper

    Comments

    1. By d_boy_dusty_d () yahoo on mailto:yahoo

      "i only took credit for just a few of your ideas, okay? i didn't take credit for them all, see? what i'm doing is only slightly sinful. since it takes an intellectual to understand the reasoning behind `intellectual property` it doesn't apply here, mmm-kay?"

  13. By Anonymous Coward () on

    I had the privilege of working with the founder of the MicroBSD product. He is a complete and utter fraud. He has a criminal record and is wanted in North Carolina for defrauding an employer. I am surprised that he worked out how to use sed to replace the OpenBSD with MicroBSD. I could go on for hours but have better things to do.

  14. By djm () on

    This is what one may expect from people who hide behind script kiddie pseudonyms. If one isn't willing to put _one's own name_ in front of one's work, and take for oneself the criticism that may come with doing so, then IMO one shouldn't be running a project that people put their faith in.

    Of course there are exeptions to this rule (e.g. Solar Designer), but IMO they have earned their position through years of good work and contribution to projects.

    Comments

    1. By schubert () on

      ayup. I'll throw RFP's name into that list. Pseudonames are acceptable IF you have a very very very established reputation. It's not the name that got you there its the reputation that allows peopel to tolerate talking to a cute nickname cause they know you can do serious and creative work.

      Comments

      1. By RooTchO () on

        You don;t get it ppl if you read cerfuly you will get the names and everything but noooooo it is more easy to argue and trow bullshit. Even in the old Xoops side there were names and info about who we are and what we do. Even the OpenBSD ppl have nicknames , and i realy don;t saw somewere in other obsd, fbsd or nbsd community any names PUTED ON THE FRON PAGE !!!!

        Comments

        1. By jolan () on

          Another requirement for running a project is being able to write understandable English.

          Comments

          1. By RooTchO () on

            Ou realy ?
            is this what your mom said ?

            See you soon on the bottom boys/girls when your favorite OS has no money to support the project.

            Comments

            1. By couderc () on

              Time to go back to your sandbox kid.
              Your immature behavior is really hurting your project much more than anything.

              If you really want to be respected show your code.

            2. By couderc () on

              Time to go back to your sandbox kid.
              Your immature behavior is really hurting your project much more than anything.

              If you really want to be respected show your code.

              Comments

              1. By RooTchO () on

                My behavior? You have to tell that to OpenBSD community my boy and the project can't be hurted more than that stupid!

                Comments

                1. By couderc () on

                  I'm not your boy, kid.

                  Comments

                  1. By RooTchO () on

                    hehehe you only know my nickname right were do you know i;m kid ?

                    Comments

                    1. By couderc () on

                      Because you act and speak like a kid.

                      Comments

                      1. By RooTchO () on

                        Realy when you get your prove who i am and what i am then talk with me OK? Till then hold your BS.

                        Comments

                        1. By couderc () on

                          You still act as kid.
                          If not why not giving your real name ?
                          Also why not giving some pointers on stuff you contributed to MicroBSD ?
                          Then we could know how skilled you are, until go back to your sandbox.
                          EOT.

                          Comments

                          1. By RooTchO () on

                            Why should i give you anything ...... ?
                            My real name ... it was on the OLD site but you and the all of the OpenBSD community were too busy to argue with us than to help develop any code.

                            Comments

                            1. By couderc () on

                              You're really funny.
                              99% of "your" code come from OpenBSD and you want that we help you to develop code ?
                              Are you joking ?

                              You're ridiculous, KID.

                              Comments

                              1. By RooTchO () on

                                hehehe i don;t want help developing my code it was just the atitude that you boys have.
                                And when you are in same world i mean *BSD world you have to learn play together.Well to sad OpenBSD started flame war on us.AND yes 90% of the code were to openbsd but what can you expect from only 6 people core developers ?????
                                Tell me if this can be compared to OpenBSD core team. I think NOT.
                                And yes i have my personal life and full time job.

                                A think that you people can have the balls to do the same .....

                                I;m stoping posting any comments in here it is getting personal atitude ( you had that atitude from the start ).

                                Comments

                                1. By couderc () on

                                  First, from what i've seen in your cvsweb there is more than 90% of OpenBSD in MicroBSD.
                                  Now that you speak about having balls, where are your contributions that make MicroBSD so different ?

        2. By couderc () on

          Oh yes, there was the names of the two founders of the project.
          And where are the famous names well know in the industry ?
          So many lies in this afair ...

          Comments

          1. By RooTchO () on

            Two founders heh i tought it was only one founder but if you say so :))).

            Comments

            1. By couderc () on

              So you don't know what was written on your own website ?

              Comments

              1. By RooTchO () on

                Realy i tought this was OpenBSD hahaha.

  15. By Anonymous Coward () on

    From their web site!



    MicroBSD


    The MicroBSD Project has Shut Down! All works have been removed.


    To the OpenBSD developers, There was no intent to modify any copyright in the CVS tree. We have publically acknowledged the issue and have shu
    t down this project. We apologize for the inconvience and commotion this has caused the BSD community. It was never out intent to be at odds w
    ith anyone in the community to start. All MicroBSD code has been removed from our servers. The web site will go away. The project will cease t
    o exist. This decision is based on time, efforts involved, the lack of developers, and lack of interest. I personally do not have the time, no
    r am I inclined to continue with a project that has caused this much negativity in the community.


    At the suggestions from various repected people in the industry who supported us, we are sorry. WE feel it is not in the best interest of the
    project to continue its exitance. To those that opposed us from the start, We will just go away as you wish.


    Specific developer(s) who committed files with those copyright violations were planning on rectifying the issues. Instead, I have decided to
    completely removed the source treee and all traces of code commited.

    There is currently no CVS, cvsweb or downloads available due to a copyright issue being brought to our attention. We have ceased all develo
    pment activity to address the issue and remove any violations from the cvs tree. This was an unfortunate oversight on our part, and was not in
    tended to violate any copyright issues. We have taken pain staking measures to be sure to not modify/violate any copyrights. We assure you thi
    s copyright issue, was an oversight on our part and was not intentional.







    Comments

    1. By couderc () on

      At the suggestions from various repected people in the industry who supported us

      So nice, another people from the industry :)
      I suppose that we will never get their names ...

    2. By Anonymous Coward () on

      This is an over-reaction -- as is the whole issue. So some script screwed up a few copyright notices, as long as they *do* get fixed, so what?? The whole big selling point of the BSD license is that you can do *anything* with it. If some fellow wants to fork it and have some fun, let him!!

      MicroBSD people -- keep your project and have your fun. BSD has always been ripe with negativity and infighting (strong personalities often clash). It seems OpenBSD has picked up more that it's fair share of zealots as well.

      Just because the OBSD developers criticize you, doesn't mean you have to fold. Fix the problem, try not to do it again. I'm sure Theo would approve given his past with NetBSD.

      Comments

      1. By Anonymous Coward () on

        you don't understand...
        The whole project was like one bad joke and now they simply got tired of it. RIP.

        Comments

        1. By Anonymous Coward () on

          Take a quick peek through the posts here and think about it for a minute. It looks very much like the kind of the behaviour that goes on in playgrounds all over the world...

          Hmm. I've never much liked OpenBSD's default .fvwmrc file, and I'm not intimidated by childish flames. Maybe it's time to fork my own project. Now I just need a script, hmm, let's see:

          $ man sed

  16. By RooTchO () on

    This means only one thing: yes we are going away but yes this means how much you cost boys and girls. This negativity that we get from you means only one thing: bad atitude. It is same as BEATING a CHILD.

    Be happy !

    Comments

    1. By Not Really Anonymous () on

      Like beating a child. That's an interesting statement.

      Like, if you don't play nice, I'm taking my toys and going home?

      I am always happy when truth is told.

      By the way, how much will it cost us, especially since this is open source?

    2. By Anonymous Coward () on

      I wish that your father had dropped you out of that window
      you were dangling from in Germany.

    3. By Anonymous Coward () on

      "I am not a child!"

      "Beating on me is the same as BEATING a CHILD!"

      You do the math.

  17. By Not Really Anonymous () on

    The OpenBSD team rocks. I would like to thank them for all their hard work and time they have put into the project.

    We should support them in whatever way we can, be it buying the next release cd or helping with code.

    I think the MicroBSD team should have to help the OpenBSD team with bugs or the more tedious issues :), as a solution to all of this.

    ...




    Comments

    1. By RooTchO () on

      Belive this or not we helped them testing their stuff ... ASK Theo and other core developers but they were too jelous to say that we exist !!!

      Comments

      1. By Not Really Anonymous () on

        That's interesting, since I have read several posts where Theo has no problem giving credit where credit is due.

        Dude, I am really positive they are _not_ jealous of you or MicroBSD.

        Note to self:
        Scene whores make me dead.

        ...

    2. By RooTchO () on

      We even wanted to provide some Suns and documents to the OpenBSD Project since they are our base but they just started flamewar ..... well what can i say .... too sad.

      Comments

      1. By couderc () on

        Sun hardware is you base ?
        And your first releases where i386 based ...

        Thanks for the documents but we already have sed manual page.

        Comments

        1. By RooTchO () on

          realy you have ....... did you say that on slashdot ???? I don;t think so .... !!!

          Comments

          1. By couderc () on

            Sure i didn't, we don't play on the same ground.
            Maybe you need a rake to go with your spade ?

      2. By edu () on http://www.cs.hut.fi

        You're really ridiculous. You wanted to provide the UltraSparc III documentation to the OpenBSD project? I really wonder how you could have done that. If by some means you would have the documentation, you would have to break your NDA to give it to the OpenBSD developers. I kind of doubt that you would have gotten the documentation without an NDA.

        Besides you're really doing a joke of yourself. You seem just like those elitist kids on IRC, who try to convince people that they're Gods without any proof. Also I haven't found anything new in MicroBSD that wouldn't have just been a patch to some other project that was simply merged into MicroBSD. Almost any moron can merge ready code into a project and your code base was practically the same as the base for the code to be merged.

        About the copyright issue, you seem like a bunch of morons. There has been lots of news about license problems concerning different open source projects. I really cant stop wondering how you could simply forget that? When OpenBSD began auditing their licenses, some bells should have started to ring inside your head, but no.

        Comments

        1. By Anonymous Coward () on

          if they had provided documentation, the man-hours it took to produce the documentation would be doubled by someone having to thoroughly proof the document for grammar and usage.

  18. By MicroBSD () microbsd@microbsd.org on http://www.microbsd.org/

    MicroBSD had the BSD license in it way before OpenBSD. Like 4 years ago. OpenBSD is just copying us and stealing our work.

    Comments

    1. By couderc () on

      Funny new trolls are coming, it is time to close the playground.

      Comments

      1. By RooTchO () on

        YES trolls like you !

        Comments

        1. By couderc () on

          Hey what's up kid ? Are you angry ? :)

          So where is your code ?
          Or maybe you prefer to continue trolling here ?
          Oh sorry i forgot you said you stopped to post here :)

          Comments

          1. By RooTchO () on

            Me angry noooo just playing here too make you mad :))). i hope you can die from argueing soon :)))) !

  19. By RooTchO () on

    This shows how much you people cost !!!

  20. By Anonymous Coward () on

    SUE THEM, PERIOD.

  21. By RooTchO () on

    Well you sure make me smile :)))).

  22. By MicroBSD () microbsd@microbsd.org on mailto:microbsd@microbsd.org

    We are proud to announce that we are renaming our project : MicroBSD is now called KidBSD.

    Our goals have also changed :
    KidBSD is a stripped down operanding system which provide free and hardened tools like 'spade' and 'rake' to protect your sandboxes.

    Comments

    1. By RooTchO () on

      Is this all you can think of ????
      Oh oh stupid very stupid...

      Comments

      1. By Anonymous Coward () on

        It's very appropriate, though.

        You don't conduct yourself in a professional or even in an adult manner. I'm guessing that you're about fourteen.

        Not to brag or anything, but when I was fourteen, I convinced a lot of people on Usenet I was older just by how I wrote.

        It takes a lot of maturity to write good code and to run a big software project. Among other things, you have to deal well with fools. Despite all the criticism the OpenBSD developers take, especially Theo, I think they do a very good job. The most important thing seems to be to resist the temptation to meet them on their own terms; it only proves that you are a fool yourself.

        The first post in this thread was childish. (Though I should admit I laughed; that was after all, its purpose) The best thing you could have done was ignore it. Instead you have brought yourself to a childish level. And since you've done that over and over on this discussion board, I think of you as a child.

        It does not help that you don't write well. That's excusable if English isn't your first language, but I'm not sure whether it is or not. I suspect it is, but I've never seen you write a clear and simple message with good grammar and spelling. (I suggest _On Writing Well_, by William Zinsser. A teacher or your school library might be able to loan it to you.)

        One more piece of advice: When confronted with a difficult situation that you are not sure how to handle, do not ask, "What should I do?" Ask, "What would I like to have done?" Then do it.

      2. By Anonymous Coward () on

        holds more weight than the MicroBSD project when it was still around. :P

      3. By Anonymous Coward () on

        Actually, I can think of a few more.

        Let's see...

        PetulantBSD,
        CryBSD,
        JustWetMyBSD,
        133tBSD,

        ...

        ad infinitum

    2. By Anonymous Coward () on

      KidBSD : all your sanboxes are belong to us

  23. By Hugo () on

    From a "deadly only" reader, not yet on but sure to subscribe soon to the misc@ list,

    I can only say that I'm truly sadened by the sight of microbsd's dev team's attitude. It's completly outrageous that they would build a project, gain the community's support, let users download and use "their" (or not so much after all) software and, when struck by adversity, abandon ship...

    Sure they have made mistakes but the microbsd should have enough respect for the community that supported them to keep their site alive and make the software available (even if full of mistakes).

    Pulling the plug is not an appoligy.

  24. By Brent Hoerle () on

    I cannot believe the bad attitudes and childish behaviour exposed by this posting. A "joke" I heard some time ago, directed at a programer I know, was that "Emotional development stops as soon as someone touches a keyboard." All that is missing is "Neener, neener, neener."

    This kind of behaviour embarasses all of us and harms the entire project. Grow up, people.

    Unanonymously,

    Brent Hoerle

  25. By Anonymous Coward () on

    http://bsd.slashdot.org/bsd/03/02/21/157222.shtml?tid=122

    http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-misc&m=104581971124603&w=4

  26. By case () also@coward.com on mailto:also@coward.com

    I just like to say thats it's sad to see a nice project like this kicked dead couse of some little mistakes. Isn't the OpenBSD tao "Use it as you like"? Don't get me wrong, i don't think changes like this are good and don't blame Theo to mention it. But isn't this more a BIG loss for the opensource comunity then correcting some stupid mistakes? The MicroBSD crew always said they wanna make a BSD that had the best of three, and not that the made a whole new BSD. Well tnx to some people this nice concept is gone and made room for some copyrighted dark side way of living.

    R.I.P. MicroBSD

    Comments

    1. By Not Really Anonymous () on

      If you read the slashdot article and other posts, you would realize that no one was really working on this project and no one was picking it up.

      What they did was take the whole bowl of free candy, even all the kit kats.

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