Contributed by jose on from the more-discussion-places dept.
"There seems to be a new resource for BSD users called 'The Screaming Electron.' It seems to be geared more towards the new user, casual BSD user and sysadmin type, but it's nice to see another kid on the block. Check out their forums here . "I had a quick look around, and it looks like a nice growing community.
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By Anonymous Coward () on
but there's plenty of subjects to post in, might be useful in a month or so
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By Ray () rayl@spamcop.net on mailto:rayl@spamcop.net
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By Anonymous Flower () on
Go into the General OpenBSD board and read the FreeBSD vs. OpenBSD threads...
The site will probably be pretty popular with know-it-all high school nerds, however.
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By Scott () xxscottaxx@hotmail.com on mailto:xxscottaxx@hotmail.com
Really, you are all so classy... so quick to flame in this anonymous enviro... wow, so bold, so brave... so completely and totally socially inept really. I spent four years studying Anthropology, much of my focus on the Net and I have to say I have yet to come across a better example of the quiet-nice-polite-person-face-to-face but bold-arrogant-aggressive-online syndrome such as the one presented here.
Obviously, I know the guy, hence my disappointment and subtle anger. I would venture to guess with reasonable certainty that he has more talent and knowledge than the lot of you... and certainly more couth.
Hmmm... Anonymous Coward... how apropos...
aurora# apropos coward
coward: nothing appropriate
Too true ;)
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By Anonymous Flower () on
I was all wrong, I guess we should all send him our spare hardware in gracious gratitude for all the sacrifice and hark work he's done uselessly duplicating someone else's efforts.
Then again, someone needed to fill the Script Kiddy demographic for message bases.
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By krusty! () on
Yes, everyone who doesn't know everything about BSD sucks and is a script kiddie. Boy, that will help the community grow, thanks for putting back into the community and helping things...
What's wrong for a place for beginners? Why do many of the self-indentified "experts" so hate people who are learning and trying to become part of the BSD expereince? The reason I got into BSDs many years ago was because I had a thoughfull and helpfull mentor who guided me. Heaven forbid someone trying to do the same for others...
A place where beginners and and "experts" can go to avoid the BSD elitism I think is a good idea.
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By got asci () on
and yes, people who are offended/afraid of elitism can go play with themselves away from deadly.org and the mailing lists =] GO FOR IT. PLEASE. =D
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By Anonymous Coward () on
What are you doing here then?
As for being offened/afraid of elitism. No one should feel that way in regards to deadly.org. There are simply a few lowbrow, unlettered, callow and unsophisticated folk amidst a wonderfully helpful, intelligant and friendly group. Those few are easily ignored and should perhaps be the ones to "go play with themselves away from deadly.org"
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By got asci () on
yes
> What are you doing here then?
pissing you off, giving myself enjoyment, and giving confidence to others by arrogantly stating that one can learn tons on one's own =D
By LT () on
That's not uncommon, actually. I too learned how to admin/config my BSD boxes by manpages, webpages, mailing list archives, etc. I don't see a need for a "mentor" or anyone guiding me through. Once you learn how to learn, it all becomes easy.
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By Anonymous Coward () on
Just cause a person isn't sitting over your shoulder doesn't mean they aren't mentoring you when you use there instructions off a webpage, mailing list, etc...
Dudes, having help is okay. There is nothing wrong with it. If you don't want help, Fine WHATEVER, but don't piss on the people who do.
Funny all these people who think they did it all themselves on a community webpage about sharing info. Seems to me if you did everything yourself you wouldn't need to come here...
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By pravus () on
a mentor is a person who guides you. they take an active part in making sure that you not only understand how things work, but how those same things can be put to use. they would also make sure to help with specific problems to increase understanding.
i would argue that writers of manpages and miscellaneous documentation don't fit into that definition. typically what you find are docuements that give you the bare essentials. they describe how something works, but don't necessarily show you why you need it. the burden is then on you (or your mentor) to decide when and where to use the tool.
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By pravus () on
i believe the answer you are looking for is evolution and instinct. if you think about how evolution works, animals that cannot adapt (the weak) fade from existance and animals that do adapt (the strong) prosper. this however doesn't really imply any sort of gained intelligence from past generations. the animals "learn" by being born within a lineage that supports a particular trait.
for example, think about how animals "know" that certain plants are poisonous. is this because their parents told them to not eat the plant? more likely it's because every animal that has eaten the plant has died and was then unable to pass along it's genes to the next generation. animals that avoided the plant (and rightfully so) would then be left to procreate the species.
you could probably find many web sites dedicated to this by searching google. what's really interesting is the fact that most humans have a natural-born fear of snakes.
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By francisco () on http://www.blackant.net/
there is also a certain amount of training and non-instinctual learning that animals can gain and this helps pass on certain traits/intelligence. Examples would be my cat learning the exact times i will be feeding her food and getting anxious if i am late, desert elephants remembering water holes and passing this knowledge to their kids (saw it on Discovery) and maybe even ants learning that more food is available from the house's kitchen than the bathroom (through the use of communication in the form of pheromones).
By Anonymous Coward () on
from http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=mentor
n : a wise and trusted guide and advisor
V. intr. To serve as a trusted counselor or teacher, especially in occupational settings
While there is a certain amount of trust and wisdom one must assume the doc writer to have, mentor usually denotes much more feeling.
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By edu () on
So my father game a bunch of floppy disks with slackware on them and handed them over to me. I had heard of UNIX a few times before that and my father had never really used UNIX either (he works with IBM mainframes). I was very excited as I knew UNIX was a real multiuser OS used in server environments, so after a day of trial and error I got a somewhat working installation, which I had no idea how to use ;)
Now I didn't have a modem or internet at the time, I got my first modem 1997 when I began using the internet. So 2 years I worked on my own with the system trying out different things mainly learning to code stuff.
You really don't need anyone to teach you how to use an OS. You can learn it by your own, it takes more time, but you take the wrong path many many times until you figure out how something really should de done. It's also very frustrating, when you can't find the solution to a problem and you also have to really be interested in what you're doing otherwise you'll only get angry and dump it. The bright side is that you'll learn everything much more thoroughly, while going through this process.
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By Anonymous Coward () on
working on my own through a problem. Nothing beats it
frankly. Troubleshooting computer problems requires a
certain tenacity and there is a thin line between
asking for help and getting someone to do your homework for you.
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The desire to solve a problem and the perseverance to stick
it out until the problem is solved.
With these attributes anyone can learn new skills.
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As for this website. I mean who gives a darn.
Some people like it. Some don't. Big deal. Get a life
people.
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By zil0g () on
I thought I was childish... (and I am)
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By michael () on http://www.phpbb.com
not sure how much hard work was put in to create this big project. i just downloaded the same forum software myself and set it up in ~10 minutes to look just as fancy.
i still like the idea of having forums like that though; just need a fast host!
By negative () negative@not-exist.org on mailto:negative@not-exist.org
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For example:
http://www.bsdforums.org/forums
And for the Dutch:
http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_topics/23
http://www.bsdfreaks.nl/index.php/forum_forums
By Anonymous Coward () on
For example:
http://www.bsdforums.org/forums
And for the Dutch:
http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_topics/23
http://www.bsdfreaks.nl/index.php/forum_forums
By Patrick Myers () on
There are times I want to read discussion boards by people way smarter than myself, covering topics over my head
There are also times when I want to pop onto a site, ask a question that maybe just seems hard to me, and not get ripped apart.
Everything has it's place.
-p
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By -elmore- () on http://www.screamingelectron.org
First and foremost: A place for me to screw around
and see how different web packages based off of PHP and MySQL work. There have been no less than 20 reincarnations of my website, most recently, phpBB2.
Secondly: The forum design was merely put up to help ease a few friends of mine in their transition from linux to *BSD. It was put up in the image of bsdforums because I figured "why reinvent the wheel" I actually go to bsdforums quite a bit to ask and answer questions. I've actually even put one of my how-to's there, which, BTW, is one of the most read how-to's on the site.
A how-to which I have received numerous e-mails from thanking me for the effort.
The main philosophy of all of this being to help a few friends out who might ask some, god forbid, "inferior" questions about *BSD without getting torn to absolute shreds. Which is what most of you have done to me, without any knowledge of what my original intentions were, thus proving my point.
A few highlights:
"Silly and childish"
"Retarded"
"Kid's Stuff"
"Popular with the High School nerds"
With regards to "Silly and Childish":
I would say that themes, and style sheets alike can be changed in no time. As a matter of fact I have changed them. They have been changing on somewhat of a regular basis since the forum went up in June. With regards to the logo, I'd like to see you do better. A personal friend of mine who happens to be a fabulous graphic artist drew it up for me. I know he's a fabulous mainly because I've seen his portfolio. I would also say that the vast majority of "Non-Computer" users would think that the OpenBSD artwork is "Silly and Childish", although, I think it rocks (needed to make that absolutely crystal!!)
Next we have "Retarded":
Which of course refers to a particular thread on the forum. I personally think this is only retarded to those who do exactly what the thread claims. Which happens to be exactly what you did here. No reason to even clarify that further, I believe it to be crystal.
Finally with regards to both "Kid's Stuff" and "Popular with the High School Nerds":
I have to say only this, one day soon it is quite possible that you'll end up working for one of those high school kids that came to my site. They are in fact, the future. As hard as it is to swallow, all of us are becoming I.T. dinosaurs with each passing breath.
As to the future of Screaming Electron, if people want it around to ask questions free of hassle, I'll be happy to help out as much as I can. I actually have no idea how this got posted on deadly.org, but, now that it has, perhaps I have purpose in this community.
To all those "Nopey The Naysayers" out there, I can think of nothing more appropriate than the immortal words of Bill D. Cat, "ttthhhppptt".
-elmore-
By -elmore- () on http://www.screamingelectron.org
First and foremost: A place for me to screw around
and see how different web packages based off of PHP and MySQL work. There have been no less than 20 reincarnations of my website, most recently, phpBB2.
Secondly: The forum design was merely put up to help ease a few friends of mine in their transition from linux to *BSD. It was put up in the image of bsdforums because I figured "why reinvent the wheel" I actually go to bsdforums quite a bit to ask and answer questions. I've actually even put one of my how-to's there, which, BTW, is one of the most read how-to's on the site.
A how-to which I have received numerous e-mails from thanking me for the effort.
The main philosophy of all of this being to help a few friends out who might ask some, god forbid, "inferior" questions about *BSD without getting torn to absolute shreds. Which is what most of you have done to me, without any knowledge of what my original intentions were, thus proving my point.
A few highlights:
"Silly and childish"
"Retarded"
"Kid's Stuff"
"Popular with the High School nerds"
With regards to "Silly and Childish":
I would say that themes, and style sheets alike can be changed in no time. As a matter of fact I have changed them. They have been changing on somewhat of a regular basis since the forum went up in June. With regards to the logo, I'd like to see you do better. A personal friend of mine who happens to be a fabulous graphic artist drew it up for me. I know he's a fabulous mainly because I've seen his portfolio. I would also say that the vast majority of "Non-Computer" users would think that the OpenBSD artwork is "Silly and Childish", although, I think it rocks (needed to make that absolutely crystal!!)
Next we have "Retarded":
Which of course refers to a particular thread on the forum. I personally think this is only retarded to those who do exactly what the thread claims. Which happens to be exactly what you did here. No reason to even clarify that further, I believe it to be crystal.
Finally with regards to both "Kid's Stuff" and "Popular with the High School Nerds":
I have to say only this, one day soon it is quite possible that you'll end up working for one of those high school kids that came to my site. They are in fact, the future. As hard as it is to swallow, all of us are becoming I.T. dinosaurs with each passing breath.
As to the future of Screaming Electron, if people want it around to ask questions free of hassle, I'll be happy to help out as much as I can. I actually have no idea how this got posted on deadly.org, but, now that it has, perhaps I have purpose in this community.
To all those "Nopey The Naysayers" out there, I can think of nothing more appropriate than the immortal words of Bill D. Cat, "ttthhhppptt".
-elmore-
By -elmore- () on http://www.screamingelectron.org
First and foremost: A place for me to screw around
and see how different web packages based off of PHP and MySQL work. There have been no less than 20 reincarnations of my website, most recently, phpBB2.
Secondly: The forum design was merely put up to help ease a few friends of mine in their transition from linux to *BSD. It was put up in the image of bsdforums because I figured "why reinvent the wheel" I actually go to bsdforums quite a bit to ask and answer questions. I've actually even put one of my how-to's there, which, BTW, is one of the most read how-to's on the site.
A how-to which I have received numerous e-mails from thanking me for the effort.
The main philosophy of all of this being to help a few friends out who might ask some, god forbid, "inferior" questions about *BSD without getting torn to absolute shreds. Which is what most of you have done to me, without any knowledge of what my original intentions were, thus proving my point.
A few highlights:
"Silly and childish"
"Retarded"
"Kid's Stuff"
"Popular with the High School nerds"
With regards to "Silly and Childish":
I would say that themes, and style sheets alike can be changed in no time. As a matter of fact I have changed them. They have been changing on somewhat of a regular basis since the forum went up in June. With regards to the logo, I'd like to see you do better. A personal friend of mine who happens to be a fabulous graphic artist drew it up for me. I know he's a fabulous mainly because I've seen his portfolio. I would also say that the vast majority of "Non-Computer" users would think that the OpenBSD artwork is "Silly and Childish", although, I think it rocks (needed to make that absolutely crystal!!)
Next we have "Retarded":
Which of course refers to a particular thread on the forum. I personally think this is only retarded to those who do exactly what the thread claims. Which happens to be exactly what you did here. No reason to even clarify that further, I believe it to be crystal.
Finally with regards to both "Kid's Stuff" and "Popular with the High School Nerds":
I have to say only this, one day soon it is quite possible that you'll end up working for one of those high school kids that came to my site. They are in fact, the future. As hard as it is to swallow, all of us are becoming I.T. dinosaurs with each passing breath.
As to the future of Screaming Electron, if people want it around to ask questions free of hassle, I'll be happy to help out as much as I can. I actually have no idea how this got posted on deadly.org, but, now that it has, perhaps I have purpose in this community.
To all those "Nopey The Naysayers" out there, I can think of nothing more appropriate than the immortal words of Bill D. Cat, "ttthhhppptt".
-elmore-
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By Skull () on
Getting a system that can filter out the noise is quite difficult. I applaud your efforts at doing something w/ openbsd that benefits you and your friends, and maybe some other people in the community.
And as for the naysayers, there's always "fuck off".
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By elmore () on http://www.screamingelectron.org
-elmore-
By Warthog () warthog@yonderway.com on mailto:warthog@yonderway.com
I quote from the thread initiator: "I didn't write this I just found it, [snip]"
The author never gives props to the original author, nor does he site the URL he lifted it from or in any way give credit where credit is due.
The moderator(s) of the board seem fine with that. In fact, this was posted by ["one of the moderators"|"the moderator"].
Deadly.org is still the place to be. Don't patronize thieves.
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By 9370 () on
http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200207/transpfobsd.html
I think it's quite a stretch to call that plagarism.
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