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Should Ports News be Reported on undeadly.org?

Contributed by mbalmer on from the 2port||!2port dept.

Yes 53.3% (582 votes)


No 11.4% (124 votes)


Yes, but only new submissions 20.1% (220 votes)


No, ports are not part of OpenBSD 3.7% (40 votes)


I don't care 11.5% (126 votes)


Total votes: 1092

(Comments are closed)


Comments
  1. By phessler (64.173.147.26) on

    updates aren't that interesting (unless there is a major change. like bringing Wine up to date), but new stuff is interesting. There are thousands of ports, and its always interesting to see what is out there.

    On the other hand, I would like to see more non-ports stories. Partially my fault, as I havn't submitted any.

  2. By Anonymous Coward (69.70.207.240) on

    I didn't like it at first, just like I didn't like the developer blogs (I'm not a programmer, by any means) but now I've grown to like them both and overall, I think they're great! Besides, any news is better than no news and of course, undeadly.org is my home page.

    Rather than stop posting them or posting less, why not maybe create a ports.undeadly.org with a link on main page or something and maybe a blogs.undeadly.org - or something like that? Just a thought... Might be a dumb idea to some, but we can't possibly make everyone happy.

    In short, I think it's great knowing what's newly added to the ports tree (I for one don't follow misc@) and rarely do I check the ports tree for any new additions.

    Hope to see more OpenBSD related news and anything good floating around the mailing lists.

  3. By pete gilman (24.128.56.154) on


    why not? undeadly is very low volume anyway; anybody that's not interested in ports stories can skip them.

  4. By Anonymous Coward (64.81.82.25) on

    I think it's sad that you took a few whiners seriously enough to put this to vote. They don't deserve the attention. If you had 100's of submissions a day on other, more popular topics, I doubt you'd be posting nothing but ports news. Please don't fix something that's not broken. The Developer logs are the best thing on here, but they take time away from code and we can't expect that many of them, the stuff M Balmer and others post in between the really good stuff keeps my interest and keeps me coming back.

  5. By Always a Coward (64.92.167.26) on

    We could all get along by creating own section for ports news, that way everyone should be happy.

    Comments
    1. By brain (71.232.119.246) asemisldkfj@fastmail.fm on

      > We could all get along by creating own section for ports news, that way everyone should be happy.

      Absolutely. Look to pkgsrc.se for inspiration, I really like their method of cataloging everything in pkgsrc and reporting upgrades, additions, and removals. Having a section like this on Undeadly would be great!

  6. By Jason Wright (24.254.95.239) jason@openbsd.org on http://www.thought.net/jason

    Yes, please keep posting them. I read ports@, but I'm a fist dragging luddite at times. The ports stuff has pointed me at applications that I wouldn't normally give a second glance at. Besides, it's not like there at 100s of stories to plow through daily on here. It's worth the bandwidth.

    Comments
    1. By wob (63.237.113.222) wob@bonch.org on

      > Yes, please keep posting them. I read ports@, but I'm a fist dragging luddite at times. The ports stuff has pointed me at applications that I wouldn't normally give a second glance at. Besides, it's not like there at 100s of stories to plow through daily on here. It's worth the bandwidth.
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      Agreed with all of this, and what phessler has said at the beginning.
      Please, don't let a few whiners ruin it for everyone else.
      I love the port updates, and like these guys, I'm not always up to date on the latest softare that may help me do my job easier, and this has been a great place to find out. I would have had no idea about prelude (and am now checking it out at home) if it were not for the post on undeadly.




    2. By Jason (207.61.43.14) on

      What I enjoy most about the ports postings is the discussion that ensues (present flare-up excepted). As a previous poster stated, don't sell the value of the community-comments short.

      Whether or not the ports-postings remain on the main page is immaterial. But I would definitely miss them if they were relegated to little more than a "new-arrivals" list without the comments.

      I don't care *which* ports are new. I like reading about how they are put to use by the active OpenBSD community, or how our port differs from the main development focus of that project.

      Even with the added "volume" of all these allegedly superfluous ports postings, undeadly is hardly at risk of getting lost in all the noise.

      Cheers,

      /Jason

      > Yes, please keep posting them. I read ports@, but I'm a fist dragging luddite at times. The ports stuff has pointed me at applications that I wouldn't normally give a second glance at. Besides, it's not like there at 100s of stories to plow through daily on here. It's worth the bandwidth.
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  7. By Richard Toohey (203.167.190.49) on

    I don't care too much about ports news one way or the other, so I'll go with the flow.

    But the developer blogs are an interesting addition to the usual undeadly news, so I'd like to see them still coming (as and when the developers feel like it, obviously.)

  8. By Faszczu (212.76.33.103) on

    I think there should be new section (probably under undeadly subdomain) to keep people informed about new ports or updates not mixed with current selection of news. Everyone should be happy - there is port info & 'climat' of undeadly stays untouched. Take it under consideration.

    Greetings.

  9. By Anonymous Coward (24.107.47.20) on

    Ports - Look, it's news. It's not high volume. It doesn't generally detract from other news items. The other thing about it is that not everyone is subscribed. I'm on almost all openbsd lists, but not everyone is. This might give someone on the edge of our community more info.

    The stories I like are:
    dev blogs

    podcast interviews with devs and related people - text is ok, but i get a better feel for the person and how excited they are about their topic this way

    reports from any openbsd events

    state of the union from theo which are really from lists.

    contribution news since it might provide more publicity leading to even more contributions

    ports - preferably more significant ones, but who is to judge

    I would love to see an occassional summarization of the significance of recently completed work, not just at the time of release but more ongoing. We hear about the big things especially at release time as a marketing tool, but hearing general progress on a scale above the individual driver seems like it would lend excitement.

    The occassional article that would recommend certain aspects of technology within openbsd would be huge. Just pulling examples off the top of my head
    - advancement of wireless in openbsd along with mentioning say software one would use to build his own AP with current openbsd tools and issues like should the firewall on the AP be the main firewall for the house
    - how people have their systems set up for efficiently working with openbsd as a dev or a porter
    - how someone has his xyz type biz set up on openbsd - slice of life
    Not man pages. Not how tos that aren't going to be maintained. Just articles about how people really use openbsd. Just snippets. I think that's always the fascination people have with other people's desktops. People basically want to know how other people work and live with a piece of technology.

  10. By Faszczu (82.210.166.20) on

    Some time ago I got different idea of how to deal with port-news thing. Make it once-a-month-news with summarized info of new ports/upgrades etc. This won't bother anyone by reading about single changes but keep people informed what's going on down there. Those who are particulary interested in something will check things out personaly more often but to keep people informed month info will fit perfectly.
    In my humble opinion this is a very good solution which will feet most people interested in Puffys life and growth.

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