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Regular Price: $39.95
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1886411999/002-9559766-0192065 "
600 pages of OpenBSD knowledge for the "practical paranoid". Congratulations to Michael Lucas. I'm looking forward to reading it.
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I just ordered it today at 20% off at http://www.holbornbooks.co.uk/ due to it being "pre-release". You still might just catch it.
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By Anonymous Coward () on
They have the same ISBN number on amazon.com and amazon.co.uk, the difference in number of pages must surely be a typo... It's 600 pages at the publisher, and at amazon.co.de and amazon.co.jp...
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not on barnes & noble inventory yet
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" Not Currently Available.
A new copy is not available from Barnes & Noble.com at this time. "
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By Anonymous Coward () on
where'd be for an (half)-experienced obsd-luser the the use of this book? reading through the TOC and the example chapter i can't see anything really interesting not covered in the FAQ or covered by the constant use of obsd?
any new, interesting insights?
i can't imagine that there'd be $$$ going to the project from the sales, or?
now insult etc. intended, i just can't see any advantage of buying this book besides having some printed, nice obsd-related document?
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By StatiK76 () on
Granted, I have not read the book or seen a review. Maybe its great. I just hope that Mr. Lucas takes the time and (more importantly) the money, to recognize the hard work that has been put into the project, by so many people, that he now stands to profit from.
StatiK76
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By Eric Pogroski () on
I agree. After borrowing a friends 'Absolute FreeBSD', I wasn't impressed. My money went to better things (the new 3.3 set, a new tshirt, paper to print the documentation that I needed on demand, beer, etc). Why would I want to give someone money for something, that with a little digging/research, even the 'n00biest' oBSD user could find out easily, and more importantly, freely, not to mention that you tend to remember things better when YOU do the research, as opposed to someone just handing you the information that you think you need.
By Book Nook () on
Consider:
How much time it takes to write a book.
How much $ comes from the sale of each book
How long the book will sell. 6 months from now, OpenBSD will be sold as an ELF-based image, do you want to read a book then and wonder if everything still applies?
Readers of the book will do what? Buy a CD or ftp the s/w for free. Assuming someone likes OBSD they will get the prod to donate.
If it answers questions that would have showed up on the mailing list, great.
If it raises the consciousness of OpenBSD in the community, great.
If it is wildly successful and makes mega-$$, well pass the smelling salts, I've fainted.
If it proves the concept that OpenBSD books can make lots of money, then the OpenBSD development team(which already know how to write clear, concise, manual pages) will come out with a book that makes the $$ and allows them to continue with what they do best, code.
Oh, and by the way, I did pre-order the book from No Starch, and checking today my credit card has not been charged yet. Too bad Amazon is selling it for less with free shipping. If I get another one for the office, I'm sure Mr Lucas won't mind where I get it from.
What we need to do is get Nick Holland to publish the FAQ in hard copy through O'Reilly as a minibook. I don't see how it could make money, but what a cool concept.
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By Anonymous Coward () on
your forethought has brought you great insight. here one, here all! though the book has not been read by a majority of people(including StatiK76), the book has been deemed a reflection of the OpenBSD FAQ.
"my $50cdn could be better spent on the oBSD project, AND it puts a shirt on my back, a poster on my wall, and a stack of paper to print my own FAQ. Maybe, just maybe, if i'm lucky - a beverage at The Ship & Anchor"
false. your $50cdn "could be" better *donated* to the project.
"I just hope that Mr. Lucas takes the time and (more importantly) the money, to recognize the hard work that has been put into the project, by so many people, that he now stands to profit from."
the BSD License is exactly used for the reason of having benefit on/for others; be it spiritual, or monetary. Freedom is key here, and your statements shed a bit of compromise. Lucas does not need to recognize anything except the fact he has the Freedom to do as he wishes given he respects authorship.
By Michael Lucas () mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org on http://www.AbsoluteOpenBSD.com
Unfortunately, I don't have a definite answer. I do intend to give a chunk of money to the OpenBSD Project, but I'm not prepared at this time to say how much for a variety of reasons. The main reasons are:
- I see zero money from this book until March 2004, if I am lucky. I don't know how much money I might see until a month before that. (There is zero advance on this book. Yes, zero. The reasons are too complicated to go into in this little text box.)
- Keeping a roof over my family's head comes first, period. While my job is not in immediate jeopardy, I live in Detroit and the car companies are likely to take the whole city down with them.
So, for me to state at any time in the next few months that I will be sending $X to OpenBSD is completely unrealistic.
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more traditional books,
helps get traditional MSI departments to accept openbsd use
By Michael Lucas () mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org on http://www.AbsoluteOpenBSD.com
The very mercenary answer is:
People have been begging for an OpenBSD book for years. I'm simply meeting the demand, filling a gap.
The very altruistic answer is:
To many outsiders, a book provides legitimacy to a project. If your OS has no book, well, you're just "a bunch of losers who put some stuff up on the Net. Anyone can do that, and anyone can claim that they're the best." A book means that you've convinced at least one big company (the publisher) that your project has meat on its bones.
The personal answer is:
OpenBSD does some cool stuff. I wanted to spend some time with it. Writing a book was a good excuse.
All of these are true.
Money? Yes, there is some from the book, absolutely. But I have a job as a consultant where I'm paid by the hours that I bill, much like a lawyer. I can bill as many hours as I want to -- our clients are happy to pay us, and it's considered wise to "strike while the iron is hot."
This book took 500-700 hours. I can guarantee you that I would have made *far* more money from billing those hours than I will from writing this book.
You guys are my harshest critics. I suspect that everyone on this forum is very comfortable with man pages and the FAQ. On the other hand, I solicited reviewers on o-misc@ quite some time ago, and got quite a few people whose names would be recognized here. Their concerns were addressed, and afterwards several of them said that they considered this a very good book.
It should be back from the printers within just a few days here. As my harshest critics, I'm sure you'll let me know just how much it sucks then. :-)
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By Anonymous Coward () on
i very well agree with your points about writing this book and i also give you credit for the immense work you've put into this,
but - my question was different:
as a regular openbsd user since 2.5/2.6 with some insight how stuff works and how to do things, what should be the point for me BUYING this book.
i never questioned or critized any of your motives publishing this book - i just don't see the advantage for me reading this book or don't see any points that aren't answered very thouroughfully in the faq and manual pages.
i asked if there is any new or surprising content for which it would be worth spending $30-40 of my limited budget other than having just a cool book w/ a OpenBSD on it?!
thanks for your time nevertheless!
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By S. Ramazani () on
Like you, I have a limited budget. However, I will buy the book because it has some advantages : I won't have to buy new prescription glasses due to long periods of staring at a screen; I can carry and read the book wherever I want (contrary to most computers and CRT monitors); from the organization point of view, it is better than printing man pages and stashing them under my bed for lack of space.
You have been using OpenBSD for years now, yet I'm sure there are stuff you have forgotten. The book will also provide you with an easy way to remember them without ruining your health.
By Michael Lucas () mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org on http://www.absoluteopenbsd.com
I can say that OpenBSD has certainly changed a great deal since I did my first install. As I researched the book, I was surprised at how many little things had changed since those days.
There are some new bits of information in the book, such as the customized installation/upgrade sections that are not yet documented in the install docs.
For me to claim that a particular long-standing OpenBSD user either will, or will not, learn something from the book would be foolish. I can say that some of my technical reviewers, who have run OpenBSD for years, did learn things from the book, and Theo had a couple nice comments about parts of it. (He also had no qualms about pointing out bogus bits, so I'm assuming that the kind comments were not just polite noises.)
I won't be hurt if any reader here chooses to wait for reviews. I won't be hurt if people on this forum choose not to buy it at all. People who have been running OpenBSD for that long are simply not in my target audience.
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By rferrisx () rferris@rmfdevelopment.com on www.rmfdevelopment.com
(2) "Our Migration to OpenBSD from Windows 2000: How my company kicked the Windows Habit"
(3) "How big company X cut costs, satisified users, and pleased management by installing 3000 OpenBSD desktops and servers"
(4) "Integrating DoD research applications into OpenBSD: A case study in OpenOffice, POOMA, and other MDA needed apps"
(4) The Open Office spreadsheet templates used to cost out 1, 2 , 3, 4
Etc.
By rferrisx () rferris@rmfdevelopment.com on www.rmfdevelopment.com
(2) "Our Migration to OpenBSD from Windows 2000: How my company kicked the Windows Habit"
(3) "How big company X cut costs, satisified users, and pleased management by installing 3000 OpenBSD desktops and servers"
(4) "Integrating DoD research applications into OpenBSD: A case study in OpenOffice, POOMA, and other MDA needed apps"
(4) The Open Office spreadsheet templates used to cost out 1, 2 , 3, 4
Etc.
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By Anonymous Coward () on
What in the blue hell are you talking about? More curiously - How the hell did you manage to post the same verbal diarrhaea twice, 40 minutes apart?
Try www.slashdot.org for your next posting.
By Anonymous Coward () on
I've got no idea however, when it'll be available through kd85.
By Jon Bailey () on http://jb.org
So... maybe getting it for $30 from the author http://www.nostarch.com/openbsd_mlucas.htm is the best choice. :)
Congrats, Mike.
--jon (who you MAY remember briefly working with ;)
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By aeb () on http://www.absoluteopenbsd.com/openbsd_ch6.pdf
By Michael Lucas () mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org on http://www.AbsoluteOpenBSD.com
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You will also notice that Amazon has a 4 to 6 week time period assigned to the shipping of the book; instead of the usual day or two.
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By John Mark () johnmark@nostarch.com on http://www.nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=openb
I will post an update here after we know for sure when it will be in the UK and other countries.