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Contributed by jose on from the more-discussion-places dept.

Ash writes :
"There seems to be a new resource for BSD users called 'The Screaming Electron.' It seems to be geared more towards the new user, casual BSD user and sysadmin type, but it's nice to see another kid on the block. Check out their forums here . "
I had a quick look around, and it looks like a nice growing community.

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  1. By Anonymous Coward () on

    the "ScR34m1nG 3l3cTr0n" title is somewhat disturbing...
    but there's plenty of subjects to post in, might be useful in a month or so

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    1. By Anonymous Coward () on

      The interface is disturbing as well. It's not even "kid's stuff", it's simply retarded. Worse than slashdot.

      Comments
      1. By Anonymous Coward () on

        Worse than slashdot? Wow, that's tough to beat.

        Comments
        1. By Anonymous Coward () on

          You /. hating fag.

          Comments
          1. By Ray () rayl@spamcop.net on mailto:rayl@spamcop.net

            Nice contrast between calling someone a hater and yet being a total homosexual hating bigot yourself.

      2. By Anonymous Coward () on

        The interface is phpBB which is actually a great board, its just that hes using a very ugly theme on it. =P

    2. By 4n0ny// () on

      ph4C3 1T 3V3NTU411Y 411 0ph j00 //111 B3 5P34K1NG 133T 5P34K 0R j00 //111 N0T 4ND TH3N j00 //111 N0T B3 K-R4D.

      4ND j00 B3TT3R N0T 54Y 4NYTH1NG //

  2. By Anonymous Flower () on

    I hate to be negative towards someone who put in a lot of work, but I have to agree with the other commenters that this site looks silly and childish.

    Go into the General OpenBSD board and read the FreeBSD vs. OpenBSD threads...

    The site will probably be pretty popular with know-it-all high school nerds, however.

    Comments
    1. By Scott () xxscottaxx@hotmail.com on mailto:xxscottaxx@hotmail.com

      Are you all so naive to think you're Gods and are so quick to negatively judge another, someone who has put a lot of good effort into a personal project? Particularly ignorant really, especially when you take into consideration the fact he probably reads this forum as well, let alone the fact that he contributes in many positive ways to OpenBSD and it's community.

      Really, you are all so classy... so quick to flame in this anonymous enviro... wow, so bold, so brave... so completely and totally socially inept really. I spent four years studying Anthropology, much of my focus on the Net and I have to say I have yet to come across a better example of the quiet-nice-polite-person-face-to-face but bold-arrogant-aggressive-online syndrome such as the one presented here.

      Obviously, I know the guy, hence my disappointment and subtle anger. I would venture to guess with reasonable certainty that he has more talent and knowledge than the lot of you... and certainly more couth.

      Hmmm... Anonymous Coward... how apropos...

      aurora# apropos coward
      coward: nothing appropriate

      Too true ;)


      Comments
      1. By Anonymous Flower () on

        So your friend throws up an ugly, juvenile rip-off of the excellent bsdforums.org site, and now he's God?

        I was all wrong, I guess we should all send him our spare hardware in gracious gratitude for all the sacrifice and hark work he's done uselessly duplicating someone else's efforts.

        Then again, someone needed to fill the Script Kiddy demographic for message bases.

        Comments
        1. By IPGuy () on

          Well then, it seems like he has his first Script Kiddy fan with good ole Flower Power Boy!!! (Hey, your the one who identified first with the Script Kiddy concept....take a good look in the mirror)

        2. By krusty! () on


          Yes, everyone who doesn't know everything about BSD sucks and is a script kiddie. Boy, that will help the community grow, thanks for putting back into the community and helping things...

          What's wrong for a place for beginners? Why do many of the self-indentified "experts" so hate people who are learning and trying to become part of the BSD expereince? The reason I got into BSDs many years ago was because I had a thoughfull and helpfull mentor who guided me. Heaven forbid someone trying to do the same for others...

          A place where beginners and and "experts" can go to avoid the BSD elitism I think is a good idea.

          Comments
          1. By got asci () on

            me too. the reason i got into bsd was because i had a thoughtful and helpful mentor who guided me: MY BRAIN.

            and yes, people who are offended/afraid of elitism can go play with themselves away from deadly.org and the mailing lists =] GO FOR IT. PLEASE. =D

            Comments
            1. By Anonymous Coward () on

              Your Brain? Right. You mean to imply that you intuitavely knew that BSD was the way to go and you've learned all your knowledge thus far merely from absorbing man pages, with no help from any mentors?

              What are you doing here then?

              As for being offened/afraid of elitism. No one should feel that way in regards to deadly.org. There are simply a few lowbrow, unlettered, callow and unsophisticated folk amidst a wonderfully helpful, intelligant and friendly group. Those few are easily ignored and should perhaps be the ones to "go play with themselves away from deadly.org"

              Comments
              1. By got asci () on

                > You mean to imply that you intuitavely knew that BSD was the way to go and you've learned all your knowledge thus far merely from absorbing man pages, with no help from any mentors?

                yes

                > What are you doing here then?

                pissing you off, giving myself enjoyment, and giving confidence to others by arrogantly stating that one can learn tons on one's own =D

              2. By LT () on

                Your Brain? Right. You mean to imply that you intuitavely knew that BSD was the way to go and you've learned all your knowledge thus far merely from absorbing man pages, with no help from any mentors?

                That's not uncommon, actually. I too learned how to admin/config my BSD boxes by manpages, webpages, mailing list archives, etc. I don't see a need for a "mentor" or anyone guiding me through. Once you learn how to learn, it all becomes easy.

                Comments
                1. By Anonymous Coward () on

                  I see, so those manpages, webpages, mailing list archives, just wrote themselves did they?
                  Just cause a person isn't sitting over your shoulder doesn't mean they aren't mentoring you when you use there instructions off a webpage, mailing list, etc...

                  Dudes, having help is okay. There is nothing wrong with it. If you don't want help, Fine WHATEVER, but don't piss on the people who do.

                  Funny all these people who think they did it all themselves on a community webpage about sharing info. Seems to me if you did everything yourself you wouldn't need to come here...

                  Comments
                  1. By pravus () on

                    i think your idea of a mentor is a bit skewed. by your logic, i can watch someone cut off his fingers with a utility saw and call him my mentor because he "taught" me the improper usage of said saw. i can also call that anonymous tech-manual writer my mentor for showing me the functions on my VCR. if you really believe these last two statements, then at least your logic is intact, though i would say wrong.

                    a mentor is a person who guides you. they take an active part in making sure that you not only understand how things work, but how those same things can be put to use. they would also make sure to help with specific problems to increase understanding.

                    i would argue that writers of manpages and miscellaneous documentation don't fit into that definition. typically what you find are docuements that give you the bare essentials. they describe how something works, but don't necessarily show you why you need it. the burden is then on you (or your mentor) to decide when and where to use the tool.

                2. By Jeroen () on

                  That's not uncommon, actually. I too learned how to admin/config my BSD boxes by manpages, webpages, mailing list archives, etc. I don't see a need for a "mentor" or anyone guiding me through. Once you learn how to learn, it all becomes easy.
                  In this case you learn from the authors of these documentations. They are your 'mentor'. I don't see this negative at all. You learn from people and you learn other people. In this way, intelligence has been past for centuries and the human species have become intelligent as they are right now because they past intelligence throught generations. I'm not aware how this exactly works with animals, if anybody has a URL about that, I'm interested.

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                  1. By pravus () on

                    I'm not aware how this exactly works with animals, ...

                    i believe the answer you are looking for is evolution and instinct. if you think about how evolution works, animals that cannot adapt (the weak) fade from existance and animals that do adapt (the strong) prosper. this however doesn't really imply any sort of gained intelligence from past generations. the animals "learn" by being born within a lineage that supports a particular trait.

                    for example, think about how animals "know" that certain plants are poisonous. is this because their parents told them to not eat the plant? more likely it's because every animal that has eaten the plant has died and was then unable to pass along it's genes to the next generation. animals that avoided the plant (and rightfully so) would then be left to procreate the species.

                    you could probably find many web sites dedicated to this by searching google. what's really interesting is the fact that most humans have a natural-born fear of snakes.

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                    1. By francisco () on http://www.blackant.net/

                      the answer you are looking for is evolution and instinct

                      there is also a certain amount of training and non-instinctual learning that animals can gain and this helps pass on certain traits/intelligence. Examples would be my cat learning the exact times i will be feeding her food and getting anxious if i am late, desert elephants remembering water holes and passing this knowledge to their kids (saw it on Discovery) and maybe even ants learning that more food is available from the house's kitchen than the bathroom (through the use of communication in the form of pheromones).

                  2. By Anonymous Coward () on

                    They are your 'mentor'.

                    from http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=mentor

                    n : a wise and trusted guide and advisor
                    V. intr. To serve as a trusted counselor or teacher, especially in occupational settings

                    While there is a certain amount of trust and wisdom one must assume the doc writer to have, mentor usually denotes much more feeling.

                    Comments
                    1. By Anonymous Coward () on

                      It's says nothing of feeling, you invented that out of the air. It says trusted. If you didn't trust it you wouldn't do it.

              3. By edu () on

                I began using linux during 1995. My father had seen someone using this new OS called linux at work and he had this guy copy linux to him.

                So my father game a bunch of floppy disks with slackware on them and handed them over to me. I had heard of UNIX a few times before that and my father had never really used UNIX either (he works with IBM mainframes). I was very excited as I knew UNIX was a real multiuser OS used in server environments, so after a day of trial and error I got a somewhat working installation, which I had no idea how to use ;)

                Now I didn't have a modem or internet at the time, I got my first modem 1997 when I began using the internet. So 2 years I worked on my own with the system trying out different things mainly learning to code stuff.

                You really don't need anyone to teach you how to use an OS. You can learn it by your own, it takes more time, but you take the wrong path many many times until you figure out how something really should de done. It's also very frustrating, when you can't find the solution to a problem and you also have to really be interested in what you're doing otherwise you'll only get angry and dump it. The bright side is that you'll learn everything much more thoroughly, while going through this process.

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                1. By Anonymous Coward () on

                  I also have learned most of what I know just from
                  working on my own through a problem. Nothing beats it
                  frankly. Troubleshooting computer problems requires a
                  certain tenacity and there is a thin line between
                  asking for help and getting someone to do your homework for you.
                  -
                  The desire to solve a problem and the perseverance to stick
                  it out until the problem is solved.
                  With these attributes anyone can learn new skills.
                  -
                  As for this website. I mean who gives a darn.
                  Some people like it. Some don't. Big deal. Get a life
                  people.

                  Comments
                  1. By Anonymous Coward () on

                    But see these people *dont have a life*, why else would they spend all their time posting about this?

      2. By Anonymous Coward () on

        Why don't you go back to sucking dicks?

        Comments
        1. By zil0g () on

          Just curious, how old are you?
          I thought I was childish... (and I am)

      3. By Anonymous Coward () on

        A lot of work? You must be nuts last time i checked it takes about 15 mins at the most to setup phpbb and maybe 5 more minutes to think of the generic topics he stole from bsdforums.org Get back to grade school.

    2. By michael () on http://www.phpbb.com

      http://www.phpbb.com

      not sure how much hard work was put in to create this big project. i just downloaded the same forum software myself and set it up in ~10 minutes to look just as fancy.

      i still like the idea of having forums like that though; just need a fast host!

    3. By Anonymous Coward () on

      Yeah i agree. There are some nice boards though IMHO.
      For example:
      http://www.bsdforums.org/forums

      And for the Dutch:
      http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_topics/23
      http://www.bsdfreaks.nl/index.php/forum_forums

    4. By Anonymous Coward () on

      Yeah i agree. There are some nice boards though IMHO.
      For example:
      http://www.bsdforums.org/forums

      And for the Dutch:
      http://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_topics/23
      http://www.bsdfreaks.nl/index.php/forum_forums

  3. By Patrick Myers () on

    There are times when I want to read man pages and the fine documentation by the OPenBSd group.

    There are times I want to read discussion boards by people way smarter than myself, covering topics over my head

    There are also times when I want to pop onto a site, ask a question that maybe just seems hard to me, and not get ripped apart.

    Everything has it's place.

    -p

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    1. By Patrick Myers () on

      There are also times I wish my finger wouldn't spasm on the Shift key (OPenBSd).


      -p

  4. By Skull () on

    the mandatory registration kinda sucks, but I am sure it'll prevent a lot of the flaming we're seeing from the anonymous posters here on deadly

    Comments
    1. By -elmore- () on http://www.screamingelectron.org

      Wow! I should clarify. This site, up until now, has been nothing more than than two things.

      First and foremost: A place for me to screw around
      and see how different web packages based off of PHP and MySQL work. There have been no less than 20 reincarnations of my website, most recently, phpBB2.

      Secondly: The forum design was merely put up to help ease a few friends of mine in their transition from linux to *BSD. It was put up in the image of bsdforums because I figured "why reinvent the wheel" I actually go to bsdforums quite a bit to ask and answer questions. I've actually even put one of my how-to's there, which, BTW, is one of the most read how-to's on the site.
      A how-to which I have received numerous e-mails from thanking me for the effort.

      The main philosophy of all of this being to help a few friends out who might ask some, god forbid, "inferior" questions about *BSD without getting torn to absolute shreds. Which is what most of you have done to me, without any knowledge of what my original intentions were, thus proving my point.

      A few highlights:

      "Silly and childish"

      "Retarded"

      "Kid's Stuff"

      "Popular with the High School nerds"

      With regards to "Silly and Childish":

      I would say that themes, and style sheets alike can be changed in no time. As a matter of fact I have changed them. They have been changing on somewhat of a regular basis since the forum went up in June. With regards to the logo, I'd like to see you do better. A personal friend of mine who happens to be a fabulous graphic artist drew it up for me. I know he's a fabulous mainly because I've seen his portfolio. I would also say that the vast majority of "Non-Computer" users would think that the OpenBSD artwork is "Silly and Childish", although, I think it rocks (needed to make that absolutely crystal!!)

      Next we have "Retarded":

      Which of course refers to a particular thread on the forum. I personally think this is only retarded to those who do exactly what the thread claims. Which happens to be exactly what you did here. No reason to even clarify that further, I believe it to be crystal.

      Finally with regards to both "Kid's Stuff" and "Popular with the High School Nerds":
      I have to say only this, one day soon it is quite possible that you'll end up working for one of those high school kids that came to my site. They are in fact, the future. As hard as it is to swallow, all of us are becoming I.T. dinosaurs with each passing breath.

      As to the future of Screaming Electron, if people want it around to ask questions free of hassle, I'll be happy to help out as much as I can. I actually have no idea how this got posted on deadly.org, but, now that it has, perhaps I have purpose in this community.

      To all those "Nopey The Naysayers" out there, I can think of nothing more appropriate than the immortal words of Bill D. Cat, "ttthhhppptt".

      -elmore-

    2. By -elmore- () on http://www.screamingelectron.org

      Wow! I should clarify. This site, up until now, has been nothing more than than two things.

      First and foremost: A place for me to screw around
      and see how different web packages based off of PHP and MySQL work. There have been no less than 20 reincarnations of my website, most recently, phpBB2.

      Secondly: The forum design was merely put up to help ease a few friends of mine in their transition from linux to *BSD. It was put up in the image of bsdforums because I figured "why reinvent the wheel" I actually go to bsdforums quite a bit to ask and answer questions. I've actually even put one of my how-to's there, which, BTW, is one of the most read how-to's on the site.
      A how-to which I have received numerous e-mails from thanking me for the effort.

      The main philosophy of all of this being to help a few friends out who might ask some, god forbid, "inferior" questions about *BSD without getting torn to absolute shreds. Which is what most of you have done to me, without any knowledge of what my original intentions were, thus proving my point.

      A few highlights:

      "Silly and childish"

      "Retarded"

      "Kid's Stuff"

      "Popular with the High School nerds"

      With regards to "Silly and Childish":

      I would say that themes, and style sheets alike can be changed in no time. As a matter of fact I have changed them. They have been changing on somewhat of a regular basis since the forum went up in June. With regards to the logo, I'd like to see you do better. A personal friend of mine who happens to be a fabulous graphic artist drew it up for me. I know he's a fabulous mainly because I've seen his portfolio. I would also say that the vast majority of "Non-Computer" users would think that the OpenBSD artwork is "Silly and Childish", although, I think it rocks (needed to make that absolutely crystal!!)

      Next we have "Retarded":

      Which of course refers to a particular thread on the forum. I personally think this is only retarded to those who do exactly what the thread claims. Which happens to be exactly what you did here. No reason to even clarify that further, I believe it to be crystal.

      Finally with regards to both "Kid's Stuff" and "Popular with the High School Nerds":
      I have to say only this, one day soon it is quite possible that you'll end up working for one of those high school kids that came to my site. They are in fact, the future. As hard as it is to swallow, all of us are becoming I.T. dinosaurs with each passing breath.

      As to the future of Screaming Electron, if people want it around to ask questions free of hassle, I'll be happy to help out as much as I can. I actually have no idea how this got posted on deadly.org, but, now that it has, perhaps I have purpose in this community.

      To all those "Nopey The Naysayers" out there, I can think of nothing more appropriate than the immortal words of Bill D. Cat, "ttthhhppptt".

      -elmore-

    3. By -elmore- () on http://www.screamingelectron.org

      Wow! I should clarify. This site, up until now, has been nothing more than than two things.

      First and foremost: A place for me to screw around
      and see how different web packages based off of PHP and MySQL work. There have been no less than 20 reincarnations of my website, most recently, phpBB2.

      Secondly: The forum design was merely put up to help ease a few friends of mine in their transition from linux to *BSD. It was put up in the image of bsdforums because I figured "why reinvent the wheel" I actually go to bsdforums quite a bit to ask and answer questions. I've actually even put one of my how-to's there, which, BTW, is one of the most read how-to's on the site.
      A how-to which I have received numerous e-mails from thanking me for the effort.

      The main philosophy of all of this being to help a few friends out who might ask some, god forbid, "inferior" questions about *BSD without getting torn to absolute shreds. Which is what most of you have done to me, without any knowledge of what my original intentions were, thus proving my point.

      A few highlights:

      "Silly and childish"

      "Retarded"

      "Kid's Stuff"

      "Popular with the High School nerds"

      With regards to "Silly and Childish":

      I would say that themes, and style sheets alike can be changed in no time. As a matter of fact I have changed them. They have been changing on somewhat of a regular basis since the forum went up in June. With regards to the logo, I'd like to see you do better. A personal friend of mine who happens to be a fabulous graphic artist drew it up for me. I know he's a fabulous mainly because I've seen his portfolio. I would also say that the vast majority of "Non-Computer" users would think that the OpenBSD artwork is "Silly and Childish", although, I think it rocks (needed to make that absolutely crystal!!)

      Next we have "Retarded":

      Which of course refers to a particular thread on the forum. I personally think this is only retarded to those who do exactly what the thread claims. Which happens to be exactly what you did here. No reason to even clarify that further, I believe it to be crystal.

      Finally with regards to both "Kid's Stuff" and "Popular with the High School Nerds":
      I have to say only this, one day soon it is quite possible that you'll end up working for one of those high school kids that came to my site. They are in fact, the future. As hard as it is to swallow, all of us are becoming I.T. dinosaurs with each passing breath.

      As to the future of Screaming Electron, if people want it around to ask questions free of hassle, I'll be happy to help out as much as I can. I actually have no idea how this got posted on deadly.org, but, now that it has, perhaps I have purpose in this community.

      To all those "Nopey The Naysayers" out there, I can think of nothing more appropriate than the immortal words of Bill D. Cat, "ttthhhppptt".

      -elmore-

      Comments
      1. By Skull () on

        I wouldn't sweat it. Initial efforts are often less than fancy.

        Getting a system that can filter out the noise is quite difficult. I applaud your efforts at doing something w/ openbsd that benefits you and your friends, and maybe some other people in the community.

        And as for the naysayers, there's always "fuck off".

        Comments
  5. By Warthog () warthog@yonderway.com on mailto:warthog@yonderway.com

    http://screamingelectron.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4

    I quote from the thread initiator: "I didn't write this I just found it, [snip]"

    The author never gives props to the original author, nor does he site the URL he lifted it from or in any way give credit where credit is due.

    The moderator(s) of the board seem fine with that. In fact, this was posted by ["one of the moderators"|"the moderator"].

    Deadly.org is still the place to be. Don't patronize thieves.

    Comments
    1. By Anonymous Coward () on

      Scolling down to the bottom of the article one would see that the orignal link where the article was "found" is posted.

    2. By 9370 () on

      Um, the link is in the post:

      http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200207/transpfobsd.html

      I think it's quite a stretch to call that plagarism.

      Comments
      1. By 9370 () on

        oops hadn't refreshed to see the post before this one.

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