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NetBSD & OpenSSH

Contributed by Dengue on from the go-their-own-way dept.

Santana Gomez Garrido writes : "NetBSD including an "OpenSSH-based" secure shell as a "temporary measure"? And replacing it later with an "independent implementation"?

Does it make *sense*? What's the point here?

http://www.netbsd.org/Changes/#ssh

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  1. By Nomen Nescio () on


    Unix has ported OpenSSH.

    OpenBSD has 'generic' OpenSSH.

    Why is it strange then that NetBSD want their own ported? version ? It seems NetSSH.org is still available ...

  2. By Kart () kart@hal-pc.org on mailto:kart@hal-pc.org

    OpenSSH has been widely accepted in other operating systems. AFAIK, FreeBSD, Linux, and even QNX-RTP all have implementations of OpenSSH.

    Unfortunately, NetBSD isn't accepting OpenSSH because it has OpenBSD cooties. Apparently there's still a lot of bad blood between NetBSD and OpenBSD.

    IMHO this is just silly. I've heard the old horror stories[1] about Theo and the NetBSD folks, but since I've never directly talked w/ Theo I can't really judge him. I use OpenBSD because it works on my hardware and doesn't require a zillion hours a week to maintain. The OBSD people that I *have* met[2] are very congenial.

    If you absolutely msut boycott someone's software based, why not set a better example and boycott $BIG_EVIL_COMPANY?

    Bad vibes between different groups of developers is a real stumbling block sometimes. Another example of this is Steve Job's Apple vs. Jean-Louis Gasee's Be: JLG pissed of the Apple execs (including Jobs) one too many times so they fired him. He went off to develop his own platform which gathered a small following. Eventually JLG's new OS ran on Apple's hardware better than the current MacOS did. Apple almost considered buying BeOS as the next generation Mac operating system. That is, they *would have* bought BeOS, but Jean-Louis had already pissed off the wrong people, and right about that time JLG's arch-nemesis steve Jobs was returning to Apple waving a big old NeXT flag.

    kart@hal-pc.org

    [1] No, I wasn't a BSD user back then.
    [2] Random net friends, plus a few folks from the local FreeBSD users' group.

    --
    "The few users willing to experiment with alternatives are vacuumed up by the quality-flawed but still philosophically attractive open source meme" -- Scot Hacker

    "Something about the GPL causes developers to not write documentation." -- Theo deRaadt

    Comments

    1. By Nobody You'd Know () on

      I'm not sure "Petty NetBSD developers; film at 11!" is even newsworthy anymore. Yes, NetBSD is a third ring clown show with a serious inferiority complex; what's new?

      Comments

      1. By Kart () kart@hal-pc.org on mailto:kart@hal-pc.org

        NetBSD works. OpenBSD works. On hardware where neither OpenBSD nor FreeBSD run, I use NetBSD.

        They're hardly a "third ring clown show".

  3. By David Terrell () dbt@meat.net on http://www.meat.net/~dbt/

    The BSD r* protocols were "temporary" once too...

    I don't think this is worth commenting on until we see their SSH offering.

  4. By Figec () on

    "Nothing is more permanent than 'temporary'."

    -Russian proverb?

    Comments

    1. By Yiorgos Adamopoulos () adamo@dblab.ece.ntua.gr on http://www.ntua.gr/~adamo/

      Actually it is a Greek proverb, just about 2500 years old.

  5. By Noryungi () n o r y u n g i @ y a h o o . c o m on http://www.slashdot.org

    Maybe the NetBSD crowd has discovered some serious security flaws in OpenSSH... =)

    Then, just to annoy the OpenBSD crew (& Theo), they will quietly fix it and release "NetSSH" under a very restrictive licence.

    Ouch! Stop the flames! I was just joking!! =)

  6. By BSDaemon () on

    Whenever I see people bitch in the BSD crowd I get this gut fealing that those who do comes from a Linux background.
    They only switched to BSD is because they want to be more 31337.


    "The new implementation is cleaner, more modular (protocols, crypto libraries, OS support, and authentication mechanisms), faster, and more
    portable."

    If you don't want this new version of SSH, simply don't use it. Don't bitch about the fact that people have ONE MORE CHOICE.
    If you are one of those people who bitch I suggest you get back where you came from, i.e. the Linux community, I'm sure you'll fit well with the other trolls at Slashdot.

    Comments

    2. By Anonymous Coward () on

      Yeah, nice to know there's one more choice. It's just that you usually offer yet another choice whenever:

      • 1. you can't use freely the existing product is under a restrictive licence
      • 2. you believe the existing product's code is such a mess that the best is to start from scratch

      Of course there could be other reasons, but we're not going to take too seriously some reasons which could be thought of as obscure, or childish, or...
      since this cannot be the case amongst the "BSD crowd" , or?

    3. By Anonymous Coward () on

      Yeah, nice to know there's one more choice. It's just that you usually offer yet another choice whenever:

      • 1. you can't use freely the existing product is under a restrictive licence
      • 2. you believe the existing product's code is such a mess that the best is to start from scratch

      Of course there could be other reasons, but we're not going to take too seriously some reasons which could be thought of as obscure, or childish, or...
      since this cannot be the case amongst the "BSD crowd" , or?

    4. By Nobody You'd Know () on

      Yeah, 'cause unlike those lee-nukes pukes, arguing over their dee-bee-an and slack-warez deestros, the "BSD community" has always been a flame-free, friction-free, big happy family full of love and warmth and affection that would never do anything without a good, justifiable technical reason.

      Or maybe you're a mentally impaired rhesus monkey with yes-man syndrome and a frontal lobotomy. We just don't know.

  7. By Anon () anon@y.mous on mailto:anon@y.mous

    herd of gazelles vs rhino.

    If I were running a NetBSD box I would use a different implementation simply because it *is* different. Hopefully it would have a different set of insecurities.

  8. By Anonymous Coward () on http://thedesertfox.net/

    People know that Theo got voted off the core team back in '94, and that he tried to get back, but couldn't. In fact all e-mail between the core team and he is stored in a file called "coremail" on his site http://theos.com . Nevertheless (is that one word?) I do agree that making a seperate version of SSH is pretty redunant. It's been 5 years, times change, things change, move on.

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