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OpenBSD 5.6 Pre-Orders Available

Contributed by tbert on from the i-love-the-smell-of-privsep-in-the-morning dept.

OpenBSD 5.6 CD sets are available for pre-order

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  1. By Ypnose (134.157.2.73) on

    The picture looks like "Puffy Apocalypse Now".

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    1. By phessler (212.25.17.146) on

      > The picture looks like "Puffy Apocalypse Now".

      You know it kinda does!

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      1. By Anonymous Coward (81.200.189.1) on

        > > The picture looks like "Puffy Apocalypse Now".
        >
        > You know it kinda does!

        We always put on the "Charge of the Valkyrie" before firing up the text editor. It scares the heck out the FIPS functions.

        Hmmm... I love the smell of LibreSSL compiling in the morning...

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        1. By Anonymous Coward (70.51.137.245) on

          > > > The picture looks like "Puffy Apocalypse Now".
          > >
          > > You know it kinda does!
          >
          > We always put on the "Charge of the Valkyrie" before firing up the text editor. It scares the heck out the FIPS functions.
          >
          > Hmmm... I love the smell of LibreSSL compiling in the morning...
          >
          >

          I was hoping for a Nacho Libre kinda vibe.

  2. By zdw (zdw) zdw@artisancomputer.com on http://artisancomputer.com

    The order site appears to be somewhat broken when trying to order to a US PO BOX.

    I really wish there was some $150/year "OpenBSD Subscription" where you'd get every release mailed automatically, rather than having to order it each time. Would be way simpler, and more dependable recurring revenue for the project.

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    1. By Theo de Raadt (199.185.136.242) on

      > The order site appears to be somewhat broken when trying to order to a US PO BOX.
      >
      > I really wish there was some $150/year "OpenBSD Subscription" where you'd get every release mailed automatically, rather than having to order it each time. Would be way simpler, and more dependable recurring revenue for the project.

      Yes, until you automatically get renewed, it arrives in the mail, and you now dispute it with your credit card operator.

      Which some people will do, just because it allows them to hurt
      OpenBSD.

      So who loses? You think you lose, or you think OpenBSD store /
      OpenBSD loses? Maybe we all lose.


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      1. By Renaud Allard (renaud) on

        > > The order site appears to be somewhat broken when trying to order to a US PO BOX.
        > >
        > > I really wish there was some $150/year "OpenBSD Subscription" where you'd get every release mailed automatically, rather than having to order it each time. Would be way simpler, and more dependable recurring revenue for the project.
        >
        > Yes, until you automatically get renewed, it arrives in the mail, and you now dispute it with your credit card operator.
        >
        > Which some people will do, just because it allows them to hurt
        > OpenBSD.
        >
        > So who loses? You think you lose, or you think OpenBSD store /
        > OpenBSD loses? Maybe we all lose.
        >
        >
        >

        Maybe something along the lines of you _donate_ $200/year, and you get 2 CD packs for free. I have no idea if you can be successful at contesting a donation. Or you can also make it so that you only receive the CDs for the next year after 1 sucessful year of donation. That way, even if 1 CD pack is lost by contestation, you don't lose anything compared to normal release prices.

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        1. By Theo de Raadt (199.185.136.242) on

          > Maybe something along the lines of you _donate_ $200/year, and you get 2 CD packs for free. I have no idea if you can be successful at contesting a donation.

          Basically you are suggesting that a government's taxation department won't contest this. Do you live in a video game?

          Put your money on the line, as a gaurantee or proper business plan.

          Otherwise, you are just another person on the internet trying to get benefit without risk, and hoping that people who write free software get hurt trying, and assuming that all this stuff gets done without a cent of overhead.

          And oh my god, your advice is so generous.

          Waiting for your call. Have a money transfer ready, ok? When you call, let's put your real name and contact information here.

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          1. By Renaud Allard (renaud) on

            > > Maybe something along the lines of you _donate_ $200/year, and you get 2 CD packs for free. I have no idea if you can be successful at contesting a donation.
            >
            > Basically you are suggesting that a government's taxation department won't contest this.


            No, I mean that the donor might not be able to get a refund/cancellation from his card company because it's a gift to a charity and returning might hurt the public interest. But as I said, I don't know for sure, I am not in the US and the OpenBSD foundation neither.

      2. By journeysquid (Tor) on http://www.openbsd.com/donations.html

        > Which some people will do, just because it allows them to hurt
        > OpenBSD.
        >
        > So who loses? You think you lose, or you think OpenBSD store /
        > OpenBSD loses? Maybe we all lose.

        I hope you're kidding. FreeBSD offered CD subscriptions for *years* and it was never an issue.

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        1. By Theo de Raadt (199.185.136.242) on

          > > Which some people will do, just because it allows them to hurt
          > > OpenBSD.
          > >
          > > So who loses? You think you lose, or you think OpenBSD store /
          > > OpenBSD loses? Maybe we all lose.
          >
          > I hope you're kidding. FreeBSD offered CD subscriptions for *years* and it was never an issue.

          Supply your money and assume the risk.

          Waiting for your call. Or you are just a troll.


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            1. By Jorden Verwer (217.149.210.16) on

              > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=journeysquid+openbsd+5.6
              Showing results for journey squid openbsd 5.6
              Search instead for journeysquid openbsd 5.6

              I love it when a plan doesn't come together.

              Seriously, if you have something meaningful to say, FUCKING SAY IT. Don't brush it off with this lame "Let me Google that for you" bullshit. I honestly don't know what point you were trying to make, even after clicking all six links on the "Search instead" page. I have no idea if Theo knows what you meant, but even if he does, you're being an asshole to other people.

              And if you got different search results than me, that's your fault and not my problem. In fact it serves you right for redirecting people to a search engine that "personalizes" search results. Next time, you could try DuckDuckGo. Better yet, you should just provide a direct link to whatever it is that you want us to read.

              Who needs enemies if you have friends (or enemies in disguise?) like you?!

      3. By zdw (70.162.178.170) zdw@artisancomputer.com on http://artisancomputer.com

        > Yes, until you automatically get renewed, it arrives in the mail, and you now dispute it with your credit card operator.
        >
        > Which some people will do, just because it allows them to hurt
        > OpenBSD.
        >
        > So who loses? You think you lose, or you think OpenBSD store /
        > OpenBSD loses? Maybe we all lose.

        Then make the first ship date of an OpenBSD release be 3-6 months out from the initial donation/subscription, beyond the date that a dispute could happen. Make December and June the only donation time (for people spending their end of year budgets, depending on fiscal year), with first release shipped in May or November.

        And also, make it less economical to buy the subscription/membership than just buying each release - what you'd get would be shipping in the first batch of discs, and the warm fuzzy of supporting the project to a greater degree.

    2. By OpenBSD Store Official (openbsdstore) on http://www.openbsdstore.com

      > The order site appears to be somewhat broken when trying to order to a US PO BOX.
      >
      > I really wish there was some $150/year "OpenBSD Subscription" where you'd get every release mailed automatically, rather than having to order it each time. Would be way simpler, and more dependable recurring revenue for the project.

      Hi,

      Could you please email us with your details so we can iron out niggles? Some US orders are behaving odd with AVS.

      Please email us at orders@openbsdstore.com.

      Thanks,

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      1. By Anonymous Coward (70.162.178.170) on

        > Could you please email us with your details so we can iron out niggles? Some US orders are behaving odd with AVS.

        I tried it again an the order went through - I filled in "PO BOX #####" in the newly indicated area and as the "Street" field, and it worked.

        Thanks!

    3. By Ralph Siegler (ralphsiegler) on http://www.rsiegler.org

      > The order site appears to be somewhat broken when trying to order to a US PO BOX.
      >

      Not that broken, when previewing the address I realized things would just need a touch of reordering to look "normal" for U.S. address vs. their assumed default of UK. I had no problem going back and rearranging the info.


      My CDs just arrived today in Skokie, IL USA I ordered Oct 7,

  3. By bconway (95.211.140.221) on

    Word of warning: Choose your currency in the top right before creating an account (or placing an order).

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    1. By Eric Radman (97.239.60.17) ericshane@eradman.com on http://eradman.com

      > Word of warning: Choose your currency in the top right before creating an account (or placing an order).

      That's confusing. I have also tried several times to register only to be confronted with this error:

      Please correct the errors in the following fields:

      You must enter a House Number, Sub Building or Name together with a
      Postcode and click the Look-up Address button.

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      1. By Anonymous Coward who gives no name (63.231.28.161) on https://web.archive.org/web/20140701051624/http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html

        Really? Lucky you.
        I didn't even get an error message.
        I just filled in the necessary info. (I tried leaving phone number blank, since I did put something in the field for the wireless/cell phone. But when that failed, I tried putting something in the field.)

        The "submit" button on the registration form is just cosmetic. It doesn't actually change the web page (or create the account).

        So it now appears there are at least 3 people posting to this thread that the new site isn't taking orders properly.

        I also notice the price hiked $10 (for both the current version and older versions). It looks like stuff from older versions (like 3.x) are not available with the new vendor.

        The new site has a lengthy TOS that exceeds that of the OpenBSD operating system CDs that I was seeking to obtain. Apparently they want to make a contract with me. Why they want to do that, instead of me making a contract with them, I don't know. But it seems unusual, and so bad.

        I no longer feel like I'm relying on Bob Beck's order form, which was rather comforting because it made the whole experience feel like a tight-knit, small group of developers. Instead, I'm now paying cross-Atlantic when I didn't need to do that before.

        I remember when I got my first CD. It was like a week or two before the FTP sites had the release version. Since then I've been getting the CDs later. But this British company promises only to deliver stuff within 7 days after they get it. If they wait until they get the CDs, then wait around 7 days, then ship stuff cross-Atlantic to get back to where I'm at... I'm left to question whether I will get the new CDs before Valentine's Day. Okay, so maybe I'm exaggerating. A little. Maybe. Will I get to look forward to an envelope decorated by unadulterated PuFFY stickers, or will they have "US Customs" stamped all over them?

        United States of America is on the top of the drop down list. Everything else is alphabetical, but United States of America is at the top. I've seen that before, but only when United States of America is the default. I usually assumed the browser favors placing the default at the top. Anyway, since the default nation is UK, I had to look around for United States of America (which wasn't listed alphabetically under United, nor USA, nor America).

        The site asked for a ZIP code, not a ZIP/postal code, even before I managed to tell it I was in the USA. I had to check the OpenBSD.org site to verify that this whole organization wasn't fraudulent, because that sure didn't seem to be acting like a legitimate business's site.

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        1. By Anonymous Coward who gives no name (63.231.28.161) on https://web.archive.org/web/20140701051624/http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html

          Disclaimer: I'm the same Anonymous Coward as the previous post; I departed this because it's a slightly different topic. Rather than just mentioning technical issues (which might be problems that a coder can fix), this is just a pure rant of dissatisfaction.

          I've been buying at least one OpenBSD CD for about 15 versions now. For years I've been buying at least two. But today I'm going to just walk away disgusted by this new ordering process. I can accept change; I've been looking forward to dabbling with httpd. I'm even used to seeing changes without seeing any clear communications about why those changes are occurring. But this change I'm loathe to embrace. But, there is just so much unpleasant with this change in which store is getting used.

          I suppose http://computershop.ca (Computer Shop of Calgary) might stop hyperlinking to order site hosted on OpenBSD's web site if that will go away. Fortunately, there have been other options: OpenBSD order page (archived by the Wayback Machine run by our friends @ archive.org) shows there were a dozen other stores that used to be referenced.

          There was also the text, "We have a close relationship with our primary distributor the Computer Shop of Calgary"

          Now, the new version of that page says:
          "We have a close relationship with our primary distributor Zednax" who wasn't even on the list of vendors earlier this year.

          One must wonder what violence this newcomer Zednax threatened OpenBSD with that they got the OpenBSD team to trash the referrals that have been used for years, and gain the covetable "close relationship" status from their nearer neighbors. Okay, so maybe there's more to the scoop that I'm not privy to, as running out of stock on the 5.5 CDs might have been a bit unpleasant. Now, the integrity of this statement of having "a close relationship" now seems sketchier than ever.

          I understand that I may be modded down to less existence than oblivion, but I'm willing to endure such a non-consequential fate if it helps to express the pain which has, so far, been delivered. As awesome and needed as libressl is, I choose not to support it in the way that I'm being asked to support. I'll look to see if there's another way.

          For now, I think what I'll do is check with some of the other long term vendors to see if they can provide an experience that is about as pleasant as the old one was. I'll see how I feel later after re-thinking this. For the time being, boycotting Zednax does seem like the most satisfying approach I have available.

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          1. By OpenBSD Store Official (openbsdstore) on http://www.openbsdstore.com

            > One must wonder what violence this newcomer Zednax threatened OpenBSD with that they got the OpenBSD team to trash the referrals that have been used for years, and gain the covetable "close relationship" status from their nearer neighbors. Okay, so maybe there's more to the scoop that I'm not privy to, as running out of stock on the 5.5 CDs might have been a bit unpleasant. Now, the integrity of this statement of having "a close relationship" now seems sketchier than ever.
            >

            Newcomer? Zednax is OpenBSD Europe. You have no clue so stop talking crap.

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            1. By Theo de Raadt (199.185.136.242) on

              > > One must wonder what violence this newcomer Zednax threatened OpenBSD with that they got the OpenBSD team to trash the referrals that have been used for years, and gain the covetable "close relationship" status from their nearer neighbors.

              Really. Dear whoever you are at 63.231.28.161.

              Please do a whois openbsdstore.com. Notice it is me.

              Feel free to give me a phone call and ask me that directly.

              If I do not come back to undeadly and say you gave me a call, let
              the audience understand that you probably had some agenda.

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              1. By Anonymous Coward who gives no name (63.231.28.161) on

                The notion, of the current store's organization threatening violence against OpenBSD, was hyperbole... I didn't seriously think *that* is what swayed the OpenBSD team/website to endorse Zednax. The way that was phrased was just for dramatic enjoyment, but I think that exaggeration may have struck a nerve, or multiple. I, the Anonymous Coward who gives no name, sincerely apologize for writing so insensitively, and for any offense that I created by insinuating this. I didn't actually mean to rile people up so much with that phrase, and I am genuinely sorry for any insult conveyed by that portrayal that I created.

                > If I do not come back to undeadly and say you gave me a call, let
                > the audience understand that you probably had some agenda.

                Presumably this is referring to an anti-OpenBSD agenda as shown by some Undeadly posts.
                Well, this is an accusation being publicly levied, which is not accurate, so I will provide related clarification.

                I understand the suspicion of posts being anti-OpenBSD... I deny any such intent from my posts in this thread. I appreciate the informative response posted by Occam's Razor, which was positive. Austin's changed role does explain the removal of the Computer Shop of Calgary. That doesn't explain the removal of the four German alternatives, nor the 3 options from the Netherlands, and 5 options from other nations. It seems those organizations were also supportive of OpenBSD. These supporters will not likely get more business from being removed from the official list. We see my earlier concern for these supporters when I wrote about the hyperlinks that served as "referrals that have been used for years". So when I started questioning just one of these organizations (Zednax), the goal was not done out of a desire to harm the OpenBSD team.

                I rather hoped that the OpenBSD team might re-consider such an exclusive partnership with this organization of Zednax. Theo seems prepared to defend the company. As a result, I don't foresee further benefit in me continuing to point out my opinions about my brief experience with the site. Re-iterating any of my prior complaints are unlikely to sway anybody of anything useful.

                In sharp contrast to what my earlier posts may have appeared to be doing, I'm actually not intentionally trying to create a worthless fight that has no expected possibility of useful benefit.

                It looks like Theo invited me to call if I wished to pursue an answer to that question, which was rhetorical. I'm not particularly interested in intentionally wasting any further time of Theo or other respected individuals who may help the positive efforts.

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                1. By Anonymous Coward (209.181.89.124) on

                  For those of us that don't really know what is going on, could you explain it simply? OpenBSD is losing vendors? or is OpenBSD just trying to focus on less vendors for distribution? What happened?

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                  1. By Anonymous Coward who gives no name (63.231.28.161) on

                    OpenBSD 5.6 Pre-Orders became available. Sometime since the last version, the OpenBSD website changed the OpenBSD website: page about Ordering OpenBSD to really focus on just one vendor, Zednax. (The previous version of the page mentioned multiple vendors, as can be seen by OpenBSD order page (archived by the Wayback Machine run by our friends @ archive.org).) That's not the only spot on the OpenBSD site that refers to Zednax. Also, this news article refers people to Zednax. (Well, actually, it refers people to the OpenBSDStore.com domain, which I think is also new. But the OpenBSDStore.com domain directs people to the site run by Zednax.) In the past, the most prominently recommended store (shown by OpenBSD order page (archived by the Wayback Machine run by our friends @ archive.org)) was The Computer Shop of Calgary, which used an order form actually located on the OpenBSD website. Undeadly.org news articles announcing pre-orders (like this article, but for earlier versions) referred people to that order form on the Computer Shop of Calgary's website.

                    Apparently the primary reason that the Computer Shop of Calgary is no longer being used as the recommended store is because a key staff person will not be continuing to provide some service that was provided before. The person is simply stepping out of that role.

                    So, these changes are rather clearly obvious for people who have regularly ordered CDs, because they are now seeing a different store.

                    One problematic aspect to all this is that Zednax's site has been technically broken, preventing multiple people from being able to complete orders. The other super-concerning item is that it seems like the OpenBSD team has decided to burn bridges with all other vendors. For instance, SoftPro Books's page on OpenBSD has been an option to order OpenBSD for some time, but now the page says, "We have been notified by OpenBSD that they are moving all distribution to Europe. As such, we will no longer be distributing OpenBSD." The price increase and the less serious nitpickable items about Zednax's site are additional reasons that pre-ordering this version of OpenBSD has been a very different experience than what's been done during prior years.

                    In the back of some of our minds, people may be remembering the financial struggles announced earlier this year. (Theo message, Bob message, Undeadly article, and even Slashdot article. Slashdot update indicates an emergency resolved for now, but that solution doesn't necessarily appear to be recurring/sustainable for future years.) So these problems with being able to pay for CDs is a cause for some concern for supporters of OpenBSD.

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                    1. By Theo de Raadt (199.185.136.55) on

                      Something doesn't jive.

                      Some say they want to support OpenBSD. They probably also want to support me, so that I can continue fullfilling my function.

                      Yet the message is being distributed in clearly critical ways; either without understanding the damage being caused, or quietly happy that damage is being caused.

                      Let's be clear here. Not trusting me to try to sustain what we do -- is a joke. If you have nothing nice to say, just walk away.

                      The message has been utterly clear: Austin is retiring. I am trying a new method for selling OpenBSD CDs.

                      If you don't trust me, fine. If you don't trust the sales, don't buy.

                      Being so negative is not a form of support to OpenBSD. For almost 20 years I have not quit despite people like you, so what's the difference.


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                      1. By Anonymous (78.108.63.46) on

                        Theo, you're a good man with guts to speak up where others sugar-coat words, and even I know that.

                        However there are a few things that need addressing:

                        > Something doesn't jive.
                        >
                        > Some say they want to support OpenBSD. They probably also want to support me, so that I can continue fullfilling my function.
                        >
                        > Yet the message is being distributed in clearly critical ways; either without understanding the damage being caused, or quietly happy that damage is being caused.

                        Without an explanation as to what the damage is that is caused, or what you are referring to when you mention "the damage being caused", how can anybody know?
                        They (like me) do want to support OpenBSD. They do want you to continue fulfilling your function. But the more difficulties in the process, and the many questions for which answers have been difficult to find, are putting them off.

                        I am going to put forth a suggestion here: make the answers more visible. Explain the damage caused, as upposed to just saying "believe me, there's damage." You may have done this somewhere else. If so, show us/them where.

                        >
                        > Let's be clear here. Not trusting me to try to sustain what we do -- is a joke. If you have nothing nice to say, just walk away.
                        >
                        > The message has been utterly clear: Austin is retiring. I am trying a new method for selling OpenBSD CDs.
                        >
                        > If you don't trust me, fine. If you don't trust the sales, don't buy.
                        >
                        > Being so negative is not a form of support to OpenBSD. For almost 20 years I have not quit despite people like you, so what's the difference.
                        >

                        Going back to my point of clear channels for communication; it is important to have them. Sure, there's the mailing list. But where are the messages? "Go search the ML archive". How about a link to one? Or the messages itself?

                        Someone has an agenda and wants to hurt OpenBSD? Show the world how bad they are and expose them.

                        There is a difference between outright negativity and constructive criticism. If Sir 63.231.28.161's criticism about the CD ordering system, or past financial distresses, is part of some agenda that you are aware of, bring it forth. Many know about the financial distresses and issues with the new system, but many do not understand both sides of the story.

                        Justice is always a good thing when done right.

                        I can understand the motives for trying a new method for the CD sales, and having attempted to work this new system out, I can agree with Sir 63.231.28.161. Zednax's site appears to be technically broken.

                        It may be time to explain, exactly, why things are are being changed around.

                        Austin's retirement as a motivation is one of them. Fine with me; I don't know anyone here who is immortal, or "forever young", or whatever. Change is not always a bad thing. He deserves a break, IMO.

                        But what about all the OpenBSD distributions being moved to Europe (as Sir 63.231.28.161 claims)? Based on his link, these claims appear true. If not, it would be nice if you can elaborate on this.

                        Once again, I'm not against you or OpenBSD, and I am not trying to hurt you or OpenBSD. I, like many others, are looking for answers. And the logical assumption here is that you have answers.


                        If someone has an agenda, show the agenda and expose them for the cheating lying scum they are.

                        "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."
                        - Wayne LaPierre (National Rifle Association)

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                        1. By Anonymous Coward (209.181.89.124) on

                          > I can understand the motives for trying a new method for the CD sales, and having attempted to work this new system out, I can agree with Sir 63.231.28.161. Zednax's site appears to be technically broken.

                          I can confirm that Zednax's website is broken, preventing me from preordering, which is an annoyance, but sometimes websites have problems. As a website, the gender specific prefix (Mr/Mrs/Ms) is a good way to lose customers, the address verification is crazy bad which is a good way to lose customers, and it seems to be the only website mentioned where OpenBSD merchandise can be purchased. I can understand how this can happen but I hope the situation improves soon so it doesn't impact OpenBSD funding. Isolating OpenBSD by only having a single website, a website that is broken helps to cut off funding and only damages the project. I totally agree that Austin should be able to retire without everything falling apart. So, I just hope somehow there will be more distribution of OpenBSD merchandise and that it will include Canadian distribution (not from England or America).

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                          1. By rjc (rjc) on

                            I have pre-ordered 5.6 CD set from (OpenBSD Store|OpenBSD Europe|Zednax)* a couple of days ago without any issues whatsoever.

                            FWIW, I have purchased merchandise from both the above once and the Calgary Computer Shop this year.

                            Since I've been a customer of the former already, all I had to do is to log onto my account - pre-ordering the CD set had taken less then a minute. Moreover, even when I did my first purchase with them earlier this year, the experience was painless. As was my communication with Austin prior to that - it involved a bit more back-and-forth emails but that was due to discounts/savings while doing international shipping.

                            Contact with either of the above was very pleasant so if you have a problem with the new distributor's site - just email them!

                            Contrary to many, I actually welcome the new distributor but then again, I'm biased as I live in the UK.

                            * pick one

                          2. By Anonymous Coward (2003:5b:4e78:1404:4ce2:5a7a:a854:7a33) on

                            > As a website, the gender specific prefix (Mr/Mrs/Ms) is a good way to lose customers
                            It's there to annoy nitpicks.

                          3. By Ralph Siegler (ralphsiegler) on http://www.rsiegler.org

                            > > I can understand the motives for trying a new method for the CD sales, and having attempted to work this new system out, I can agree with Sir 63.231.28.161. Zednax's site appears to be technically broken.
                            >
                            > I can confirm that Zednax's website is broken


                            I can confirm the website worked fine ordering on Oct. 7, preview of the shipping address showed only a couple pieces of address information were best reordered to produce normal-looking US address. My CDs just arrived (a bit North of Chicago, IL USA). I'm installing 5.6 now, sucks to be you I guess.

                      2. By Just Another OpenBSD User (95.42.212.65) on

                        The fact is, we all know, these people keep attempting to side track comments into their own abrasive freaking agenda lists, and nobody cares about them trolls, except for the most naive newcomers to the board, and their own sock puppeting (share|stake)holders.

                        The fact is, we all trust the OpenBSD developers and use the software and will keep supporting the project in every possible way.

                        The fact is, sincere and honest people speak direct and do their work diligently precisely as OpenBSD developers do, without caring much for trolls, and newcomers have their own eyes and eventually understand the damage done by conversation hijackers is nothing but a waste of troll time.

                        For other newbies from the future: relax, those are only a couple of conversation disruptive trolls and they quietly sink back from where they originate after some time.

                        Sometimes it gets on one's nerves, yet there's enough beer for everyone.

          2. By Anonymous Coward (199.185.136.242) on


            > I've been buying at least one OpenBSD CD for about 15 versions now. For years I've been buying at least two.

            Or perhaps you are a liar with an agenda against the software you use?

            Seems more likely.

            Put your name here, and provide proof; otherwise it is easy to assume you have hostile intent and just jumped onto this thread because it serves a stance you hold.

            Your host responds to OpenSSH 6.2?

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            1. By Anonymous Coward who gives no name (63.231.28.161) on

              > Your host responds to OpenSSH 6.2?

              An abandoned firewall was powered up to provide NAT for possibly multiple machines. If the latest security measures were a concern, I wouldn't be typing this from this Windows XP 64-bit machine. The users regularly joke about this system being infected with malware. In reality, we've no idea if it currently is infected or not. The computer is not trusted for any sensitive actions because the owner behaves in ways that potentially could quickly cause (re-)infection.

              It wouldn't surprise me if the IPv4 address responds with an older version of the SSH server software, which is what I think you were getting that.

              The regular purchases I've claimed to make were unrelated to any specific deployments. Not every purchased CD was used.

              > provide proof

              Doing so would require blatantly identifying myself, something we can presume was not desired since no useful name was provided. Granted, I may have leaked such info anyway when attempting to register to the store website. I'll just hope this doesn't bite me, because I know some people may have long memories when they disapprove. My earlier posts certainly ran severe risk of getting on someone's bad side.

              You're posting as Anonymous Coward but from the same IPv4 address as another logged in user on this thread. Perhaps that's a subtle hint. I admit, a person could do some research on my IP address and may be able to come to some conclusions on my identity; doing so might point to me, or to someone else familiar with this site (like the person I've been regularly buying CDs for). I posted with the hope that people don't go through great effort to uselessly tarnish a name. I fully realize that's not guaranteed.

              > Or perhaps you are a liar [...]
              >
              > Seems more likely.

              Perhaps. This is more unsubstantiated speculation. If you choose to not believe me, that's your call.

          3. By Occam's Razor (71.72.51.115) on

            The answer is pretty straightforward.

            From the OpenBSD Store FAQ (https://www.openbsdstore.com/cgi-bin/live/ecommerce.pl?site=shop_openbsdeurope_dollar&state=page&page=faq):

            "From the early days of OpenBSD, product sales were handled by Austin Hook of the Computer Shop of Calgary. Eventually it became time for a handover because Austin bought a farm with cows and goats. We all owe Austin a huge thank you for all his work and effort over the years. OpenBSD Europe took over the main distribution of OpenBSD products in October 2014. We aim to serve the OpenBSD community as well as Austin did. Austin became an excellent mentor and friend of ours over time and he'll be sticking around with us for the future, just in a more relaxed role. Thank you Austin Hook!"

            Comments
            1. By Anonymous Coward (83.99.112.173) on

              > "From the early days of OpenBSD, product sales were handled by Austin Hook of the Computer Shop of Calgary. Eventually it became time for a handover because Austin bought a farm with cows and goats.

              So he's moved from daemons to cloven hooves?

    2. By OpenBSD Store Official (openbsdstore) on http://www.openbsdstore.com

      > Word of warning: Choose your currency in the top right before creating an account (or placing an order).

      Yes, that is correct. It isn't great, we admit. We'll look into fixing this.

      Did you manage to order OK :)?

  4. By Anonymous Coward (84.251.44.249) on

    There has been so many changes in daemons in this version I will rather wait for v5.7...

    Comments
    1. By rjc (rjc) on

      > There has been so many changes in daemons in this version I will rather wait for v5.7...

      Because your crystal ball tells you that there won't be many changes in 5.7 ... or do you know something the rest of us don't? ;^)

  5. By Simon Lundström (simmel) simmel@soy.se on

    I can't find the tshirt? Not even an image of it = /

  6. By Jorden Verwer (217.149.210.16) on

    I decided to order a CD as well, mainly to check out just how buggy their website really is. It turns out that the account management page has some issues (it kept changing "Netherlands" into "Netherlands Antilles" (a country that, by the way, doesn't exist anymore) and "Europe" into "UK"). It also wasn't clear to me what the distinction between "Europe" and "EU VAT" was, until I clicked the EU flag so that it showed me a different form, but in the end I managed to place my order. It should be on its way.

    Comments
    1. By Corey Clingo (clingoc) on

      I just ordered, too. It's less convenient now, as I had to create an account, whereas with Austin's system all I did was enter billing/shipping info (maybe not a big deal but it's one more set of credentials I have to keep up with that I didn't have to before).

      It's also more expensive: US $60 for the CD, which I didn't mind (it's been $50 for awhile now), but then an additional $10.50 for shipping. Hopefully those in Europe have things a little easier, if they were paying more for shipping from Canada in the past.

      Anyway, if it gets here OK, it's all good. Still a bargain. And thanks to Austin for doing this simply and efficiently for so long.

      Comments
      1. By Anonymous Coward (37.157.195.101) on

        > I just ordered, too. It's less convenient now, as I had to create an account, whereas with Austin's system all I did was enter billing/shipping info (maybe not a big deal but it's one more set of credentials I have to keep up with that I didn't have to before).
        >
        > It's also more expensive: US $60 for the CD, which I didn't mind (it's been $50 for awhile now), but then an additional $10.50 for shipping. Hopefully those in Europe have things a little easier, if they were paying more for shipping from Canada in the past.
        >
        > Anyway, if it gets here OK, it's all good. Still a bargain. And thanks to Austin for doing this simply and efficiently for so long.
        >
        >

        I tried to order to the US 3 times now, and it's failed with different errors each time.

        Hopefully in the future?

        Comments
        1. By OpenBSD Store Official (openbsdstore) on http://www.openbsdstore.com

          > > I just ordered, too. It's less convenient now, as I had to create an account, whereas with Austin's system all I did was enter billing/shipping info (maybe not a big deal but it's one more set of credentials I have to keep up with that I didn't have to before).
          > >
          > > It's also more expensive: US $60 for the CD, which I didn't mind (it's been $50 for awhile now), but then an additional $10.50 for shipping. Hopefully those in Europe have things a little easier, if they were paying more for shipping from Canada in the past.
          > >
          > > Anyway, if it gets here OK, it's all good. Still a bargain. And thanks to Austin for doing this simply and efficiently for so long.
          > >
          > >
          >
          > I tried to order to the US 3 times now, and it's failed with different errors each time.
          >
          > Hopefully in the future?

          Email us the errors?

      2. By Anonymous Cowboi (62.236.108.73) on

        > I just ordered, too. It's less convenient now, as I had to create an account, whereas with Austin's system all I did was enter billing/shipping info (maybe not a big deal but it's one more set of credentials I have to keep up with that I didn't have to before).

        Agreed. I see no reason to create an account for such a system. If I was constantly ordering (eg. large quantities regularly for distribution with PCs, in a PC business) then I would understand, but not a once-off, or once-every-six-months order.

        Sounds like more of an information grab to me.

  7. By Renaud Allard (renaud) renaud@allard.it on

    I didn't have any issues ordering to Europe. Never had with that site, even when it was still called openbsdeurope.
    Maybe some people here have too paranoid settings in noscript for that site or other things like that which could forbid the site from running correctly. I would advise people who have problems to check all their "protection scripts and proxies" and maybe whitelist openbsdstore.com.

  8. By Richard Toohey (richardtoohey) richardtoohey@paradise.net.nz on

    Any new site is going to have teething problems.

    Like insurance companies, it's when you come to make a claim that you get an idea of how good things are behind the scenes.

    I had trouble using my perfectly good VISA DEBIT card. Lyn has been prompt and helpful in sorting out my order.

    The new site has not been a good experience (because of the payment processing issues), but the support has been great and hopefully any issues will be nailed by the next release.

    So if it is not working for you, send them an email and give them a chance to fix it.

    Thanks for OpenBSD.

    Comments
    1. By Daniel Cizinsky (d.c.) on

      > Lyn has been prompt and helpful in sorting out my order.
      I also got a swift and helpful answer.

      The only inconvenience from my point of view is lack of delivery address different from billing address. Hopefully it's going to be fixed some time too.

      Comments
      1. By OpenBSD Store Official (openbsdstore) on http://www.openbsdstore.com

        > > Lyn has been prompt and helpful in sorting out my order.
        > I also got a swift and helpful answer.
        >
        > The only inconvenience from my point of view is lack of delivery address different from billing address. Hopefully it's going to be fixed some time too.
        >

        You can.

        When you register it says:

        "If you require a different delivery address you will be able to enter this after your account has been created.

        Please enter your Cardholder Name & Address"

        So, you create the account with your billing and add delivery address(es) later on.

        If you email us, we can do this for you.

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