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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 7/31)
by Karl Sjödahl (dunceor) (dunceor@gmail.com) on Fri Aug 8 07:40:21 2008 (GMT)
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Sweet that an developer has gotten the eeepc because it looks like they are very popular which means a lot of people will try and run OpenBSD on them. I plan to buy a 901 soon, any success stories with that one?
Keep up the good work!
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 1/19)
by Anonymous Coward (81.30.249.67) on Fri Aug 8 08:22:28 2008 (GMT)
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Some people are not good in english,because it isn't their native language.
So please stop this bullshits ;-) If you like this flamewars -> find another OS.
> "an developer"
> holy moses!
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod -1/7)
by Anonymous Coward (151.136.100.2) on Mon Aug 11 12:34:06 2008 (GMT)
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> Some people are not good in english,because it isn't their native language.
no reason not to improve.
this whole attitude of "do not tell me i was wrong"
will lead nowhere...
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 0/8)
by goodb0fh@gmail.com (71.127.154.43) (goodb0fh@gmail.com) on Mon Sep 1 15:21:15 2008 (GMT)
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> > Some people are not good in english,because it isn't their native language.
>
> no reason not to improve.
> this whole attitude of "do not tell me i was wrong"
> will lead nowhere...
And this whole nitpicking hairsplitting stuff is what advances civilizations.
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 5/15)
by Anonymous Coward (84.245.6.55) on Fri Aug 8 16:17:34 2008 (GMT)
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> "an developer"
> holy moses!
This journal is for openbsd dev news.
so please keep that in mind.
you could say he made a spelling error, but not in this way.
(im also a not native english speaker so i make more errors than native english speakers)
p.s.
were here to learn from each other not the make fun of each other.
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 0/12)
by Anonymous Coward (128.171.90.200) on Fri Aug 8 18:46:49 2008 (GMT)
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> > "an developer"
> were here to learn from each other not the make fun of each other.
What a good point, so Karl, in english english me ol' china, you use 'an' if the letter starting the next word is a vowel, otherwise just use an 'a', c ?
an orange
an apple
a banana
a pear
an installation CD
an OpenBSD installation
a CD for installing OpenBSD
an eeepc
There may be a few corner cases I haven't thought of, but that will do in most situations. Oh and 84.245.6.55, it is "we're here to learn" it is a contraction of 'we' and 'are' and so is separated by an apostrophe ( or 'okina if you da kine brah ! )
Right, back to the hack !
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod -4/10)
by Anonymous Coward (219.90.182.70) on Sat Aug 9 00:09:12 2008 (GMT)
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An holy moses.
Am I the only one who's always thought that rule made things sound ridiculous and unnatural?
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 2/8)
by tedu (74.68.146.146) on Sat Aug 9 00:43:35 2008 (GMT)
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"The is pronounced with an er sound, as in mother, father, brother, before a noun or an adjective beginning with a consonant or a consonant sound"
crazy funny talkers!
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod -1/7)
by Anonymous Coward (128.171.90.200) on Sat Aug 9 00:47:50 2008 (GMT)
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> > What a good point, so Karl, in english english me ol' china, you use 'an' if the letter starting the next word is a vowel, otherwise just use an 'a', c ?
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> vowel *sound*, me old mucker.
Ah, that probably is correct, vowels tend to dominate the vowel sounds so it holds for the most part. English english is full of odd pronunciations so it would not surprise me one bit if the corner non vowel cases are just words which sound like they start with a vowel. Cheers ears.
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 2/8)
by Gimlet (67.108.81.126) on Fri Aug 15 16:56:06 2008 (GMT)
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> Ah, that probably is correct, vowels tend to dominate the vowel sounds so it holds for the most part. English english is full of odd pronunciations so it would not surprise me one bit if the corner non vowel cases are just words which sound like they start with a vowel. Cheers ears.
>
English has an extremely high rate of change, and there are an extremely large number of loan words from other languages. So, many words end up with a spelling from an archaic version. A good example is the word "knight," which used to be pronounced similarly to its German relative, "Knecht."
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 6/12)
by Anonymous Coward (84.198.96.249) on Sat Aug 9 10:01:56 2008 (GMT)
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> vowel *sound*, me old mucker.
You're correct. Now all that's left is to teach Americans that the "h" is NEVER ignored. It's a hard consonnant. There's no such things as "erbs".
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 6/10)
by Anonymous Coward (88.23.210.207) on Sat Aug 9 10:12:14 2008 (GMT)
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> > vowel *sound*, me old mucker.
>
> You're correct. Now all that's left is to teach Americans that the "h" is NEVER ignored. It's a hard consonnant. There's no such things as "erbs".
>
>
what about
"An hour"
?
haha...
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 1/7)
by goodb0fh@gmail.com (71.127.154.43) (goodb0fh@gmail.com) on Mon Sep 1 15:25:12 2008 (GMT)
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> > vowel *sound*, me old mucker.
>
> You're correct. Now all that's left is to teach Americans that the "h" is NEVER ignored. It's a hard consonnant. There's no such things as "erbs".
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No no no, aluminium, teach them that. Otherwise, it's sodum, lithum, caesum, californum and americum.
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod -2/8)
by CODOR (CODOR) on Mon Sep 1 20:09:56 2008 (GMT)
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> No no no, aluminium, teach them that. Otherwise, it's sodum, lithum, caesum, californum and americum.
And platinium. Don't forget platinium!
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 1/7)
by Miod Vallat (miod) on Tue Sep 2 12:38:22 2008 (GMT)
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> > No no no, aluminium, teach them that. Otherwise, it's sodum, lithum, caesum, californum and americum.
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> And platinium. Don't forget platinium!
But then, what's a bignium???
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 4/10)
by Anonymous Coward (85.222.21.198) on Fri Aug 8 16:50:47 2008 (GMT)
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> "an developer"
> holy moses!
Holly shit, an nasty shit
Sheep on ship, look on loop, it's an very hasty troop
So pull an bull via git or clit
Leave an sieve and go to hive!
http://www.simpsonstrivia.com.ar/simpsons-photos/wallpapers/bumble-bee-man.gif
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod -3/9)
by Simon Lundström (simmel) on Thu Aug 14 11:54:02 2008 (GMT)
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> Sweet that an developer has gotten the eeepc because it looks like they are very popular which means a lot of people will try and run OpenBSD on them. I plan to buy a 901 soon, any success stories with that one?
> Keep up the good work!
I bought a 901 and I've been trying to get OpenBSD installed on a USB-stick for it, but failed for various reasons.
The wlan card is supported but not the wired card. One can download Linux drivers from ASUS (http://dlsvr01.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/P5KPL-CM/LinuxDrivers.zip) so OpenBSD devs have something to go on even if specs are better..
I've successfully booted an 4.2 stick which jj@ had and that works, but I want to install a snapshot.
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 4/16)
by minusf (58.91.133.98) on Fri Aug 8 08:40:24 2008 (GMT)
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hey,
it's been a long way since this year's january for the eeepc(701) for openbsd...
it is very usable now, *but* (and hopefully lots of people having it will read
this thread) here are a couple of issues i am seeing and maybe others
have ideas how to solve them. actually, it is way more usable with acpi
(hear hear).
1. fan. if the fan comes on---basically after running anything like firefox/gimp/etc
it never stops again. i am not sure if this is bios or OS issue, but sometimes under
xandros it stops again, or starts later. this is not really a nuissance, it's not that
loud, purely a battery issue.
2. acpi quirks. more or less acpi works ok on this one now, the fn keys work except
the obvious candidates, BUT, sometimes they stop responding. e.g. try lowering
the screen brightness right logging in in xdm. press it 10, 15x. the fn keys stop
responding after this.
3. halting the machine. actually this is not only an eeepc issue, my previous toshiba
had it too. when i type halt, all the programs stop, so i get to the console. but the
"syncing disk..." sometimes appears 20-30-40 seconds after this, and "done" never
comes. a couple of times i even let it turned on overnight, still no "done".
my limited experiments in ddb showed nothing.
4. has anyone tried running hotplugd? it locks up the machine after a couple of
seconds/minutes. syslog is hammered with devices appearing and disappearing.
(admittedly i havent tried this with more recent snapshots, and i will, i just mention
it if others see it).
the halt issue is the one that bothers me the most and i would appreciate any
advice hunting it down. btw. i am running from sd0, a usb stick, wd0 is still
the linux.
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 3/7)
by Anonymous Coward (128.171.90.200) on Fri Aug 8 18:51:58 2008 (GMT)
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> the halt issue is the one that bothers me the most and i would appreciate any
> advice hunting it down.
I had a similar problem on another machine, I know I will get panned for telling you this, but what I did was rebuild my system, though you might get away with just rebuilding the kernel. I don't know why it worked for me, and I am slightly annoyed that it fixed it, but I was rebuilding my system anyway and it happened to work. This was 4.3 base.
Good luck.
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 3/5)
by Anonymous Coward (72.174.27.134) on Sat Aug 9 02:59:21 2008 (GMT)
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> 1. fan.
Possibly an ACPI issue...
> 2. acpi quirks.
...which reyk@ has said is on his punchlist for these machines...
> 3. halting the machine.
...which will also probably fix this issue.
> 4. has anyone tried running hotplugd?
set ddb.console to 1 in sysctl.conf, re-freeze the machine, and dump into ddb and grab as much info from there as you can before you write up a problem report and file it via sendbug(1).
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod -1/5)
by minusf (220.219.220.118) on Sun Aug 10 06:53:49 2008 (GMT)
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> ...which reyk@ has said is on his punchlist for these machines...
>
> > 3. halting the machine.
i think this might be acpi independent. it's not the act of halting the
machine and/or turning it off. the syncing just never finishes. it is
the same with the apm version.
> > 4. has anyone tried running hotplugd?
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> set ddb.console to 1 in sysctl.conf, re-freeze the machine, and dump into ddb and grab as much info from there as you can before you write up a problem report and file it via sendbug(1).
yesterday i tried this again. first it worked flawlessly so i thought i made a fool
of myself. the only strange thing was a couple of zombie sh processes which
i think were somehow related to /etc/hotplug/attach. my attach script uses logger(1)
to show the disklabel of an attached device, and the sd card reader showed up
right after starting hotplugd, it is emulated as an usb device, but i don't know
why it shows up as if attached just then, like my mouse it was "attached" at boot
time. my suspicion is, that this device might send endless attach/detach events
and that is the reason hotplugd locks up the system. unfortunately there is nothing
in the logs at all. and sometimes work as i wrote before...
i will try again, but after the machine locks up, there is no accessible ddb anymore...
interesting that noone else sees these issues....
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 2/6)
by minusf (220.219.220.118) on Sun Aug 10 06:44:30 2008 (GMT)
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oh and to make the list complete (i am not complaining of course),
i forgot to add that copying large files (e.g. movie) to sd cards doesn't
work either. it stops mid-write and hangs. after cancelling the write
everything is back at "normal".
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 0/6)
by Anonymous Coward (89.104.120.231) on Mon Aug 25 08:05:44 2008 (GMT)
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> oh and to make the list complete (i am not complaining of course),
> i forgot to add that copying large files (e.g. movie) to sd cards doesn't
> work either. it stops mid-write and hangs. after cancelling the write
> everything is back at "normal".
this is likely to be a hardware problem with a card reader chip. the
problem seems to go away if you make it use usb1.1 (disable ehci for
example). freebsd dudes also advise to do this.
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 0/6)
by Anonymous Coward (89.104.120.231) on Mon Aug 25 08:09:13 2008 (GMT)
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> > oh and to make the list complete (i am not complaining of course),
> > i forgot to add that copying large files (e.g. movie) to sd cards doesn't
> > work either. it stops mid-write and hangs. after cancelling the write
> > everything is back at "normal".
>
> this is likely to be a hardware problem with a card reader chip. the
> problem seems to go away if you make it use usb1.1 (disable ehci for
> example). freebsd dudes also advise to do this.
>
and this might also help with a hotplugd issue.
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 3/7)
by Brynet (Brynet) on Fri Aug 8 15:59:52 2008 (GMT)
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Hi,
In the above dmesg:
oapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec00000, version 20, 24 pins
Should probably be:
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec00000, version 20, 24 pins
Was that some sort of typographical error? or was the dmesg actually managed at boot?
Regardless, reyk@ is awesome.. great work, the people who donated, as well.. :)
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod -6/8)
by Brynet (Brynet) on Sat Aug 9 03:51:42 2008 (GMT)
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> Is it possible to use OpenBSD in Sony PS3?
All 3rd party OS's for the PS3 run inside some sort of hypervisor, severely limiting access to the hardware.
Q1) Is it possible?
A1) Yes..
Q2) Should the person who ports it be congratulated?
A2) Probably not..
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 3/7)
by Brynet (Brynet) on Sat Aug 9 04:02:59 2008 (GMT)
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> > Is it possible to use OpenBSD in Sony PS3?
>
> All 3rd party OS's for the PS3 run inside some sort of hypervisor, severely limiting access to the hardware.
>
> Q1) Is it possible?
> A1) Yes..
>
> Q2) Should the person who ports it be congratulated?
> A2) Probably not..
Looks like their was the start of a NetBSD port, I don't know.. guess it might be somewhat useful, developers are still limited with what they can do though.
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 6/12)
by Anonymous Coward (66.42.183.218) on Sat Aug 9 04:55:58 2008 (GMT)
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Thanks to reyk for his work with the Eee PC, and other OpenBSD work generally.
I'd really hope that OpenBSD developers get what they want with supporting these new small computers.
I'm holding out for possibly an Asus Eee PC 904, although Dell and Lenovo are coming out with E and S series computers soon.
Small computers could be revolutionary and a major hit like cell phone were. Hopefully this would lead to more people buying OpenBSD CDs and donations.
My point again is simple, I'm pleading to those with money and business, who might be reading this blog or read this comment somehow, to donate what OpenBSD wants in this area.
Small quality computers running OpenBSD, priceless and critical to productivity. What everybody should have.
Peace.
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 4/4)
by GRH (66.223.252.146) on Thu Aug 14 04:06:47 2008 (GMT)
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I'd also like to thank Reyk for his work. I've been running -current on my 701 for a while and generally it works great. Getting the wireless working would be the icing on the cake.
One odd thing with the current lii driver is that appears as though the link detection doesn't work unless the cable is connected when the EEE boots.
As for the halt issue, the sync is working fine for me, but I'm still letting the kernel boot with APM enabled, so ACPI is out. Relevant? I dunno.
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cpuid tests... (mod 4/12)
by Tobias Weingartner (129.128.184.101) (weingart@tepid.org) on Thu Aug 14 01:32:15 2008 (GMT)
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I've updated the cpuid.c file some (posted/asked for tests on tech@ a while ago). If there are any people with brand new CPU's out there (Nano/etc), that can compile/run this, I'd appreciate an email with
the output.
http://www.tepid.org/~weingart/cpuid.c
A simple 'make cpuid && ./cpuid' should work on both i386 and amd64.
-Toby.
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Re: Developer blog - reyk@: more about EeePC (mod 1/9)
by packeteer (150.101.122.57) on Mon Jun 29 14:07:03 2009 (GMT)
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I've just got myself an old 7" eeePC. Unfortunately 4.5 doesn't seem to like the ethernet nic (lii).
Complains about having "no carrier".
Gonna try a 4.6 snapshot...
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